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Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a
family on his income alone.
As for trickle down, it simply hasn't happened. Most people have no
significant savings. Most people do not own their property outright.
Those not on the property ladder already have no chance of getting on it
if they are earning the average wage. As the first story shows,
millions are living on very low incomes indeed. To the pensioners can be
added those on below average wages who do not have recourse to tax
credits and those surviving on benefits. Probably a third of the
population live below the poverty line and many others have a pretty
strapped existence.
What needs to be remembered about wealth and poverty is that it is not
simply a matter of how much an individual has but how much others have
in relation to the individual. This is so because money creates power
relationships. A person may be better off in absolute terms of being
able to buy more but worse off in terms of their power relationship with
others whose income/wealth has increased more rapidly. RH
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Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Jul 15, 2:20 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
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Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a
family on his income alone.
As for trickle down, it simply hasn't happened. Most people have no
significant savings. Most people do not own their property outright.
Those not on the property ladder already have no chance of getting on it
if they are earning the average wage. As the first story shows,
millions are living on very low incomes indeed. To the pensioners can be
added those on below average wages who do not have recourse to tax
credits and those surviving on benefits. Probably a third of the
population live below the poverty line and many others have a pretty
strapped existence.
What needs to be remembered about wealth and poverty is that it is not
simply a matter of how much an individual has but how much others have
in relation to the individual. This is so because money creates power
relationships. A person may be better off in absolute terms of being
able to buy more but worse off in terms of their power relationship with
others whose income/wealth has increased more rapidly. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website:http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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Imagine a scene whereby a 17/18th century group of landowners found
himself in a time warp with a group of 20/21st century capitalists.
Would their conversations' go something like this:
17/18th century landowners………”So you are telling us that you fool
people into buying homes at exorbitant prices with borrowed money.
You call it a mortgage, is that right”?
20/21st century capitalists………..”Yes and they borrow the money over
many years, by the time they have paid for the house, if they ever do,
they will have paid back many times its value. If we wish we can
always improve the profit margins by raising the interest rates.
17/18th…………..Damned clever that. So in fact they are, in reality,
living in property that they may never own and during that time have
to completely upkeep and repair any damage themselves, what!
20/21st…………..It gets better, because they are using borrowed money,
and paying it back drip drip, they have no real understanding of the
value of the properties they are paying for; so the prices keep
rising inexorably. The profits to be made are beyond the dreams of
avarice. Not forgetting that many of them cannot keep up the payments
and we get the property back for a peppercorn.
17/18th………….My how you have improved the property owning situation for
those of great wealth . We only wish we could change places with you
and join in this money making spree. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Jul 15, 4:13 pm, incognito <hempe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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Imagine a scene whereby a 17/18th century group of landowners found
himself in a time warp with a group of 20/21st century capitalists.
Would their conversations' go something like this:
17/18th century landowners………”So you are telling us that you fool
people into buying homes at exorbitant prices with borrowed money.
You call it a mortgage, is that right”?
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You talk as though the mortgage was a 20/21st century invention!
In former times rich people mortgaged their homes in order to extend
them and/or develop or enlarge their estates.
Sometimes they lost their homes through default but this was usually
in cases where they had mortgaged their homes to fund their
extravagances.
The common man, on the other hand, rarely if ever entered into a
mortgage arrangement since he was not regarded as credit worthy his
sparse income did not leaving enough left over to service any
mortgage. For him the future was hand to mouth servitude and the
payment of rent for the rest of his life.
After all we all have and always had to live somewhere. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Jul 15, 5:08 pm, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
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On Jul 15, 4:13 pm, incognito <hempe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Imagine a scene whereby a 17/18th century group of landowners found
himself in a time warp with a group of 20/21st century capitalists.
Would their conversations' go something like this:
17/18th century landowners………”So you are telling us that you fool
people into buying homes at exorbitant prices with borrowed money.
You call it a mortgage, is that right”?
You talk as though the mortgage was a 20/21st century invention!
In former times rich people mortgaged their homes in order to extend
them and/or develop or enlarge their estates.
Sometimes they lost their homes through default but this was usually
in cases where they had mortgaged their homes to fund their
extravagances.
The common man, on the other hand, rarely if ever entered into a
mortgage arrangement since he was not regarded as credit worthy his
sparse income did not leaving enough left over to service any
mortgage. For him the future was hand to mouth servitude and the
payment of rent for the rest of his life.
After all we all have and always had to live somewhere. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Jul 15, 6:28 pm, Dead Paul <dead_p...@no.reply> wrote:
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100, William Black wrote:
"Robert Henderson" <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Fq5GvjU3QKfIFwBi@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most fundamental
way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a family on a single
income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a family on his income
alone.
He probably could today if he didn't run a car, didn't have central
heating, didn't have an inside toilet in his expensive house and his wife
didn't shop for food in supermarkets.
No that's not right. Cars were more expensive (relatively) in the 50's and
60's and yet many families with single wage had a car and today food is
much cheaper coming from a supermarket than your local butcher or veg shop
so quiting the Asda and going to a local shop will cost you more - it
wont save you any money.
If he walked to work, took the train to Filey for his week long holiday in
a cheap boarding house (with communal loos and one bath a week), lit the
fire when he got up in the morning, washed in cold water, went outside for
a shit because his landlord wouldn't pay for an inside loo and his wife
spent four hours a day shopping for cheap food he'd probably be ok.
No no no, many single wage families had most of the amenities you mention
in the 60's.
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Perhaps he has gone a little OTT but the gist of the argument is
right. Folk do expect that little more these days.
You talk of the 60's I remember (I don't know why) of a local press
report of a meeting of the local WI where one of the more well to do
ladies spoke and showed photographs (black and white I presume) of her
holiday in the South of France. By the 60's folk were just about
beginning to fly out to the Costas for a holiday. For most, if they
got a holiday at all it was a seaside boarding house or maybe a
caravan. The holiday camps were still enjoying their boom. Much of
Lancashire still loved to be beside the seaside at Blackpool during
their appropriate Wake *week*.
The 60s brought the advent of the Morris/Austin Mini which sounded the
final death knell for the motorbike and sidecar that most young
working men aspired to up till then to take famillies out for the day.
How many rooms had a TV in the 60's? Most had one not one in each of
several rooms. Recorders? no such thing PCs? No such thing. Most homes
had a radio and record player or perhaps a super duper radiogram with
automatic record release and play. How many homes had en-suite
bedrooms as opposed to family bathrooms? How many had fitted carpets
or parque floors? Double glazing? What was that? Central heating? a
few had it installed and the cost put on the gas bill.
Patterns of consumption have increased by leaps and bounds since the
60s. How many young men in the 60s took an aeroplane to go to a stag
party? How many got married in exotic places? How many satisfied
themselves with a wedding reception in a church hall like we did or
the function room of a pub? How many married in morning suits?
Much of this has been paid for by increased productivity but much has
also been paid for by second wage earners.
The trouble is that workers are so productive now in terms of their
earning potential that they can't afford to stay at home. |
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On Jul 15, 5:46 pm, abelard <abela...@abelard.org> wrote:
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:13:50 -0700 (PDT), incognito
hempe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Jul 15, 2:20 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk
wrote:
Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a
family on his income alone.
As for trickle down, it simply hasn't happened. Most people have no
significant savings. Most people do not own their property outright.
Those not on the property ladder already have no chance of getting on it
if they are earning the average wage. As the first story shows,
millions are living on very low incomes indeed. To the pensioners can be
added those on below average wages who do not have recourse to tax
credits and those surviving on benefits. Probably a third of the
population live below the poverty line and many others have a pretty
strapped existence.
What needs to be remembered about wealth and poverty is that it is not
simply a matter of how much an individual has but how much others have
in relation to the individual. This is so because money creates power
relationships. A person may be better off in absolute terms of being
able to buy more but worse off in terms of their power relationship with
others whose income/wealth has increased more rapidly. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website:http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Imagine a scene whereby a 17/18th century group of landowners found
himself in a time warp with a group of 20/21st century capitalists.
Would their conversations' go something like this:
17/18th century landowners………”So you are telling us that you fool
people into buying homes at exorbitant prices with borrowed money.
You call it a mortgage, is that right”?
20/21st century capitalists………..”Yes and they borrow the money over
many years, by the time they have paid for the house, if they ever do,
they will have paid back many times its value. If we wish we can
always improve the profit margins by raising the interest rates.
17/18th…………..Damned clever that. So in fact they are, in reality,
living in property that they may never own and during that time have
to completely upkeep and repair any damage themselves, what!
20/21st…………..It gets better, because they are using borrowed money,
and paying it back drip drip, they have no real understanding of the
value of the properties they are paying for; so the prices keep
rising inexorably. The profits to be made are beyond the dreams of
avarice. Not forgetting that many of them cannot keep up the payments
and we get the property back for a peppercorn.
17/18th………….My how you have improved the property owning situation for
those of great wealth . We only wish we could change places with you
and join in this money making spree.
your ignorance is sublime...
read this and become just a little less sublime.....you badly need to.
'the mystery of capital' hernando de soto...
0552999237
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Well, what a patronising prat you are. You have to try and tell the
world how clever you "think" you are by the idiotic trivia that
accompanies every post you make:
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
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the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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Only a very sad lonely person with no belief in his own abilities
would write and send such rubbish, as above, with every post that he
makes..................
You should try to realise that folk who are unsure of themselves have
to bang the loudest drum they can find and boast intolerably about
their achievements and knowledge. As you try to do, on your sublimely
funny and ridiculous website. Most will see through your charade and
be amused at your Usenet posturing.
I have read several books written by Hernando de Soto the Peruvian
economist. The main thrust of his work seems to have been to change
Keynesian ideas into the “neoliberal” philosophy that is plaguing
western civilisation today. Is that what you believe in, if you are
capable of real beliefs?
Perhaps though your befuddled intellect has once more let you down and
you actually meant Hernando de Soto who was a Spanish explorer who
sailed the Atlantic Ocean and was the first European to explore
Florida and the south-eastern America between 1500 & 1542.
Do try to get things correct my poor, dear sick child, if you wish to
keep assuming the mantle of knowledge that you so obviously yearn for.
If you wish to become really informed, instead of writing economic
twaddle, twaddle that you have picked up from a “search engine”, do
a little research into The Sveriges Riksbank. If you can understand
what you read, you may become more enlightened in the way that banking
has developed in western Europe.
If I can help you rid yourself of your inferiority complex, please
email me and I will send you a list of therapeutic books that may be
of help to a person of your low self esteem. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk (Robert Henderson) wrote in
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The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise
a family on his income alone.
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What if people were willing to go back to the lifestyle of 50 years
ago?
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Robert Henderson
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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In message <Xns9ADC5D26A9AB1VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>, Bert Hyman
<bert@iphouse.com> writes
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philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk (Robert Henderson) wrote in
news:Fq5GvjU3QKfIFwBi@anywhere.demon.co.uk:
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise
a family on his income alone.
What if people were willing to go back to the lifestyle of 50 years
ago?
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If by that you mean a single jobs being sufficient to maintain a family,
of having security of employment, a government commitment to council
housing, political will to defend our industry and a country which was
not tainted by mass immigration I am sure most would jump at it. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:13:50 -0700 (PDT), incognito
<hempers7@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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On Jul 15, 2:20 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk
wrote:
Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a
family on his income alone.
As for trickle down, it simply hasn't happened. Most people have no
significant savings. Most people do not own their property outright.
Those not on the property ladder already have no chance of getting on it
if they are earning the average wage. As the first story shows,
millions are living on very low incomes indeed. To the pensioners can be
added those on below average wages who do not have recourse to tax
credits and those surviving on benefits. Probably a third of the
population live below the poverty line and many others have a pretty
strapped existence.
What needs to be remembered about wealth and poverty is that it is not
simply a matter of how much an individual has but how much others have
in relation to the individual. This is so because money creates power
relationships. A person may be better off in absolute terms of being
able to buy more but worse off in terms of their power relationship with
others whose income/wealth has increased more rapidly. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website:http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Imagine a scene whereby a 17/18th century group of landowners found
himself in a time warp with a group of 20/21st century capitalists.
Would their conversations' go something like this:
17/18th century landowners………”So you are telling us that you fool
people into buying homes at exorbitant prices with borrowed money.
You call it a mortgage, is that right”?
20/21st century capitalists………..”Yes and they borrow the money over
many years, by the time they have paid for the house, if they ever do,
they will have paid back many times its value. If we wish we can
always improve the profit margins by raising the interest rates.
17/18th…………..Damned clever that. So in fact they are, in reality,
living in property that they may never own and during that time have
to completely upkeep and repair any damage themselves, what!
20/21st…………..It gets better, because they are using borrowed money,
and paying it back drip drip, they have no real understanding of the
value of the properties they are paying for; so the prices keep
rising inexorably. The profits to be made are beyond the dreams of
avarice. Not forgetting that many of them cannot keep up the payments
and we get the property back for a peppercorn.
17/18th………….My how you have improved the property owning situation for
those of great wealth . We only wish we could change places with you
and join in this money making spree.
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your ignorance is sublime...
read this and become just a little less sublime.....you badly need to.
'the mystery of capital' hernando de soto...
0552999237
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics
energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Fq5GvjU3QKfIFwBi@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
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Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most fundamental
way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a family on a single
income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a family on his income
alone.
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He probably could today if he didn't run a car, didn't have central
heating, didn't have an inside toilet in his expensive house and his wife
didn't shop for food in supermarkets.
If he walked to work, took the train to Filey for his week long holiday in
a cheap boarding house (with communal loos and one bath a week), lit the
fire when he got up in the morning, washed in cold water, went outside for
a shit because his landlord wouldn't pay for an inside loo and his wife
spent four hours a day shopping for cheap food he'd probably be ok.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:13:50 -0700, incognito wrote:
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On Jul 15, 2:20Â pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk
wrote:
 Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a
family on a single income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a
family on his income alone.
As for trickle down, it simply hasn't happened. Most people have no
significant savings. Most people do not own their property outright.
Those not on the property ladder already have no chance of getting on it
if they are earning the average wage. Â As the first story shows,
millions are living on very low incomes indeed. To the pensioners can be
added those on below average wages who do not have recourse to tax
credits and those surviving on benefits. Probably a third of the
population live below the poverty line and many others have a pretty
strapped existence.
What needs to be remembered about wealth and poverty is that it is not
simply a matter of how much an individual has but how much others have
in relation to the individual. This is so because money creates power
relationships. A person may be better off in absolute terms of being
able to buy more but worse off in terms of their power relationship with
others whose income/wealth  has increased more rapidly. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website:http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Imagine a scene whereby a 17/18th century group of landowners found
himself in a time warp with a group of 20/21st century capitalists.
Would their conversations' go something like this:
17/18th century landowners………”So you are telling us that you fool
people into buying homes at exorbitant prices with borrowed money.
You call it a mortgage, is that right”?
20/21st century capitalists………..”Yes and they borrow the money over
many years, by the time they have paid for the house, if they ever do,
they will have paid back many times its value. If we wish we can
always improve the profit margins by raising the interest rates.
17/18th…………..Damned clever that. So in fact they are, in reality,
living in property that they may never own and during that time have
to completely upkeep and repair any damage themselves, what!
20/21st…………..It gets better, because they are using borrowed money,
and paying it back drip drip, they have no real understanding of the
value of the properties they are paying for; so the prices keep
rising inexorably. The profits to be made are beyond the dreams of
avarice. Not forgetting that many of them cannot keep up the payments
and we get the property back for a peppercorn.
17/18th………….My how you have improved the property owning situation for
those of great wealth . We only wish we could change places with you
and join in this money making spree.
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Inflation destroys their profits! As long as we can make them put our
wages up (inline) then inflation is our friend when it comes to mortgages
or other loans.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100, William Black wrote:
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"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most fundamental
way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a family on a single
income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a family on his income
alone.
He probably could today if he didn't run a car, didn't have central
heating, didn't have an inside toilet in his expensive house and his wife
didn't shop for food in supermarkets.
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No that's not right. Cars were more expensive (relatively) in the 50's and
60's and yet many families with single wage had a car and today food is
much cheaper coming from a supermarket than your local butcher or veg shop
so quiting the Asda and going to a local shop will cost you more - it
wont save you any money.
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If he walked to work, took the train to Filey for his week long holiday in
a cheap boarding house (with communal loos and one bath a week), lit the
fire when he got up in the morning, washed in cold water, went outside for
a shit because his landlord wouldn't pay for an inside loo and his wife
spent four hours a day shopping for cheap food he'd probably be ok.
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No no no, many single wage families had most of the amenities you mention
in the 60's.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100, "William Black"
<william.black@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Fq5GvjU3QKfIFwBi@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most fundamental
way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a family on a single
income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a family on his income
alone.
He probably could today if he didn't run a car, didn't have central
heating, didn't have an inside toilet in his expensive house and his wife
didn't shop for food in supermarkets.
If he walked to work, took the train to Filey for his week long holiday in
a cheap boarding house (with communal loos and one bath a week), lit the
fire when he got up in the morning, washed in cold water, went outside for
a shit because his landlord wouldn't pay for an inside loo and his wife
spent four hours a day shopping for cheap food he'd probably be ok.
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take the kids and the family might not get as fat as pigs....
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William Black
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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"Dead Paul" <dead_paul@no.reply> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:18:07 +0100, William Black wrote:
"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Fq5GvjU3QKfIFwBi@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
Ever since MacMillan made his fatuous remark "You've never had it so
good" British governments have peddled the lie that people are generally
getting wealthier and wealthier. To this lie was added the lie of the
"trickle down" effect to justify the immoral and reckless selfishness of
Thatcherism.
The truth is that most people today are worse off in the most
fundamental
way, namely, they cannot afford to marry and bring up a family on a
single
income. 50 years ago the ordinary man could raise a family on his income
alone.
He probably could today if he didn't run a car, didn't have central
heating, didn't have an inside toilet in his expensive house and his
wife
didn't shop for food in supermarkets.
No that's not right. Cars were more expensive (relatively) in the 50's and
60's and yet many families with single wage had a car
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Utter rubbish.
People who had cars fifty and sixty years ago were relativly rich.
and today food is
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much cheaper coming from a supermarket than your local butcher or veg shop
so quiting the Asda and going to a local shop will cost you more
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Well...
No it won't.
As I'm retired I have the time to look around and price things.
It's always cheaper to shop somewhere other than Asda except for the special
offers...
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If he walked to work, took the train to Filey for his week long holiday
in
a cheap boarding house (with communal loos and one bath a week), lit the
fire when he got up in the morning, washed in cold water, went outside
for
a shit because his landlord wouldn't pay for an inside loo and his wife
spent four hours a day shopping for cheap food he'd probably be ok.
No no no, many single wage families had most of the amenities you mention
in the 60's.
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A few did.
But we're not talking about them.
We're talking about the vast majority.
These days people expect a car and central heating.
Then they didn't.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: Re: The "we are all getting wealthier" lie |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:00:50 -0700 (PDT), incognito
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I have read several books written by Hernando de Soto the Peruvian
economist.
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then you are a complete moron to post what you have....
but of course you could be lying...
rest binned unread
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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