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 Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car? |
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Mel Rowing
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 12:49 pm, Maria <i...@tajarts.co.uk> wrote:
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Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car?
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No you are wrong!
A carpet fitter has every right to carry a knife. In fact everyone has
the right to carry a knife provided he has reasonable cause for so
doing. The onus is always of course on the prosecution to show that
there was no reasonable cause. Thus our carpet fitter may carry his
Stanley knife whilst going about his business just as a free lance
chef may carry his knives from job to job. However, if either were
caught say having a night out in a night club with their tools of
trade then they would be in trouble.
Some knives have no obvious use beyond that of weapons (the flick
knife for instance). Even their a sword may be worn as part of a
ceremonial uniform. A kilted Scotsman may carry a dirk has part of
Highland dress. A pipe smoker may carry a small penknife to clean out
his pipe bowl. An angler may carry a sheath knife (with his rods and
other tackle).
It' s a nonsense to suggest that knives are carried as weapons simply
because such behaviour is proscribed. It's akin to saying that fewer
murders would occur if murder were made legal. That drink driving
would decrease if alcohol limits applying to drivers were abolished
and so on.
Knives are carried for kudos, out of a mistaken notion of being
necessary for self defence, and out of sheer maliciousness with the
full intent of using them should the opportunity arise or, from the
user's perspective, it becomes necessary. |
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Maria
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 1:07 pm, Palindrome <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
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Maria wrote:
Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
You mean that you didn't have one of these, or similar, in your handbag
when you were their age?
http://www.hairsense.com/images/204.jpg
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Nope. Rosy coloured specs at work again. Remember mods and rockers?
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Yeah but that is a 'gang culture' issue, which has always been an
issue and will happen regardless of what weapons are or aren't
available.
The current issue is about knife carrying (gang culture also but that
is not the main issue). We have lots of stabbing incidents these days
unrelated to gang culture.
NB I was in the rockers group - most of the fights were fisticuffs,
not stabbings - that would be quite rare IIRC.
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"Fights occurred where territories overlapped or rival factions happened
upon each other. As noted above, there was an urban/rural split, meaning
that the groups could only fight if brought together for some reason -
most often the seaside during summer. The film Quadrophenia, on the
other hand, depicts some violence within London. Mods sometimes sewed
fish hooks into the backs of their lapels to shred the fingers of
assailants. Weapons were often in evidence; coshes and flick knives
being favoured. The conflict came to a head at Clacton during the Easter
weekend of 1964."
"Round two took place on the south coast of England, where Londoners
head for seaside resorts on Bank Holidays. Over the Whitsun weekend (May
18 and 19, 1964), thousands of mods descended upon Margate, Broadstairs
and Brighton to find that an inordinately large number of rockers had
made the same holiday plans. Within a short time, marauding gangs of
mods and rockers were openly fighting, often using pieces of deckchairs.
The worst violence was at Brighton, where fights lasted two days and
moved along the coast to Hastings and back; hence the Second Battle of
Hastings tag. A small number of rockers were isolated on Brighton beach
where they – despite being protected by police – were overwhelmed and
assaulted by mods."
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Maria
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 1:19 pm, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
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On Jul 15, 12:49 pm, Maria <i...@tajarts.co.uk> wrote:
Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car?
No you are wrong!
A carpet fitter has every right to carry a knife. In fact everyone has
the right to carry a knife provided he has reasonable cause for so
doing. The onus is always of course on the prosecution to show that
there was no reasonable cause. Thus our carpet fitter may carry his
Stanley knife whilst going about his business just as a free lance
chef may carry his knives from job to job. However, if either were
caught say having a night out in a night club with their tools of
trade then they would be in trouble.
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I'm sure that I remember posting about it at the time, but it must
have been a long time ago as I was still studying law at the time...
1996/7 perhaps? The knife was in his car, but he was not at any job or
anything (he kept the knife in the car all the time) - that was the
reason they prosecuted him, because at the time he was 'found' with it
he had no reasonable excuse. I'll have to dig around and see if I can
find it.
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Some knives have no obvious use beyond that of weapons (the flick
knife for instance).
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Does it matter? My small vegetable knife could kill someone if I made
it...
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Even their a sword may be worn as part of a
ceremonial uniform. A kilted Scotsman may carry a dirk has part of
Highland dress. A pipe smoker may carry a small penknife to clean out
his pipe bowl. An angler may carry a sheath knife (with his rods and
other tackle).
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So even though they have a lawful excuse to carry such a dangerous
item, they do not commit violence...
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It' s a nonsense to suggest that knives are carried as weapons simply
because such behaviour is proscribed.
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'Knives as weapons' are not proscribed - knives are. I can't carry one
even if I do not intend to harm anyone with it. Harming people has
always been prohibited - carrying knives has not.
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It's akin to saying that fewer
murders would occur if murder were made legal.
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No because I am not arguing that murder is getting more popular
because it is unlawful - this is simply about the carrying of knives.
The hysteria is about the carrying of knives. In spite of the fact
that so many young people now seem to carry knives, stabbings are
still relatively rare. It is the potential for stabbing accompanied by
a spate of violent incidents that has brought this about. Why were
knives with blades over 3" banned back in 1996 or whenever it was?
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That drink driving
would decrease if alcohol limits applying to drivers were abolished
and so on.
Knives are carried for kudos,
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Kudos conferred by the fact that carrying them is unlawful? How much
kudos would they have if anyone would be allowed to carry them?
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out of a mistaken notion of being
necessary for self defence, a
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I feel the need to carry one for defence, but I don't...
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nd out of sheer maliciousness with the
full intent of using them should the opportunity arise or, from the
user's perspective, it becomes necessary.
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Do you think that generally people are vicious and violent?
Or that we are not simply because it is outlawed? |
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Maria
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 1:47 pm, Edster <m...@privacy.com> wrote:
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Maria <i...@tajarts.co.uk> wrote:
NB I was in the rockers group - most of the fights were fisticuffs,
not stabbings - that would be quite rare IIRC.
Exactly. We used to kick each other to death with our steel toe cap
boots, but at least we never used to stab each other.
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Lol...I don't remember anyone dying, or even being badly injured.
Maybe my memory is failing but then I mostly wasn't there.
I do remember one rare incident, a stabbing, and the victim died - the
perp (who was a very nice lad who was very drunk at the time and
things went totally out of control ) went to prison for 20 years.
Proper 20 years, not 10 or 7or 7 or something. But I do not recall the
scale of deaths that are reported now.
Have I missed something? Were there lots of deaths by boot, or by
anything at all, or just lots of fighting? There has always been
fighting...
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It's obviously
the fault of Italian zombie films and people having sex on TV. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On 15 Jul, 12:49, Maria <i...@tajarts.co.uk> wrote:
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Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car?
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Despair about knife crime is really despair about the government
because they are no longer trusted to deliver credible,carefully
thought out, and adequately resourced responses to anything.
Is it time for a coalition government to at least eliminate the party
political nonsense and raise the calibre of the executive?
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Maria
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 2:31 pm, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bru...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Maria wrote:
Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car?
Well, let's get this in perspective.
It is largely a problem of Blacks stabbing Blacks (or more rarely
others). Take out those stats and the situation isn't much worse than it
was 20 years ago.
http://www.capitalradio.co.uk/article.asp?id=532062
The Whites on this list were killed by 'ethnics' - not other Whites.
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Is it though? Mr Black was on here the other day saying that Hull has
a high rate of knife crime - not many black people there... |
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Mel Rowing
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 1:44 pm, Maria <i...@tajarts.co.uk> wrote:
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On Jul 15, 1:19 pm, Mel Rowing <mel.row...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Some knives have no obvious use beyond that of weapons (the flick
knife for instance).
Does it matter? My small vegetable knife could kill someone if I made
it...
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Of course it could except that a small vegetable knife has an
alternative and some would argue more obvious use. What is the
alternative use for a flick knife?
If a flickvegetable knife were to be found in a kitchen then there
would be strong reason to suppose that its use there was lawful. If it
were in somebody's pocket in a public pace one would be entitled to
wonder why.
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Even their a sword may be worn as part of a
ceremonial uniform. A kilted Scotsman may carry a dirk has part of
Highland dress. A pipe smoker may carry a small penknife to clean out
his pipe bowl. An angler may carry a sheath knife (with his rods and
other tackle).
So even though they have a lawful excuse to carry such a dangerous
item, they do not commit violence...
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No thy don't but they have reasonable excuse which almost certainly
means legitimate reason.
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It' s a nonsense to suggest that knives are carried as weapons simply
because such behaviour is proscribed.
'Knives as weapons' are not proscribed - knives are. I can't carry one
even if I do not intend to harm anyone with it. Harming people has
always been prohibited - carrying knives has not.
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You can so long as you have reasonable cause.
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Why were knives with blades over 3" banned back in 1996 or whenever it was?
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They're not! We bought a set of carving knives a couple of weeks or so
ago. They were on offer in the shop where we bought them.
The limitation applies to a folding knife (aka penknife or pocket
knife) which are still carried in their thousands for 1001 legitimate
general purposes. Neither should any blade on such a knife be spring
activated. It's a matter of sense. Why should anyone want a general
pocket knife with a blade more than 3 in long? Why should it be so
necessary that a blade should be sprung?
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Kudos conferred by the fact that carrying them is unlawful? How much
kudos would they have if anyone would be allowed to carry them?
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Because most people still wouldn't since they would have no legitimate
need so to do. It is therefore proper that anyone found in posession
of a potentially dangerous knife for no obvious reason should be
required to give an explanation.
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out of a mistaken notion of being
necessary for self defence,
I feel the need to carry one for defence, but I don't...
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There is no need to carry one.
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Do you think that generally people are vicious and violent?
Or that we are not simply because it is outlawed.
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I'm absoluetly certain that a small section are. I suggest that since
the gradual decline decline of relgion over the last century or so
what has gone with it is our previous notion of evil. We no longer
describe people as evil (literally possessed by the devil) They are
always reasons for thoroughly nasty behaviour like deprivation, mental
illness, ill influence and so forth. Always reasons external to the
individual concerned.
I don't believe in demonic posession either but simply know that there
are those who seek and obtain satisfaction in causing discomfort, pain
or injury to others for whatever reason. Perhaps all of us to some
degree are capable of enjoyment of the pain of others. That I don't
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Maria wrote:
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Large numbers of people are in despair at the number and types of
knives being carried by people in Britain today, and a number of
people in these groups have commented that may of us (including
myself) used carry knives when we were kids but never hurt anyone with
them. The worst incident I remember personally was watching someone
stab himself in the foot playing that silly chicken game where you
tried to throw the knife into the ground as near to your foot as you
could get.
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You mean that you didn't have one of these, or similar, in your handbag
when you were their age?
http://www.hairsense.com/images/204.jpg
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People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
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Nope. Rosy coloured specs at work again. Remember mods and rockers?
"Fights occurred where territories overlapped or rival factions happened
upon each other. As noted above, there was an urban/rural split, meaning
that the groups could only fight if brought together for some reason -
most often the seaside during summer. The film Quadrophenia, on the
other hand, depicts some violence within London. Mods sometimes sewed
fish hooks into the backs of their lapels to shred the fingers of
assailants. Weapons were often in evidence; coshes and flick knives
being favoured. The conflict came to a head at Clacton during the Easter
weekend of 1964."
"Round two took place on the south coast of England, where Londoners
head for seaside resorts on Bank Holidays. Over the Whitsun weekend (May
18 and 19, 1964), thousands of mods descended upon Margate, Broadstairs
and Brighton to find that an inordinately large number of rockers had
made the same holiday plans. Within a short time, marauding gangs of
mods and rockers were openly fighting, often using pieces of deckchairs.
The worst violence was at Brighton, where fights lasted two days and
moved along the coast to Hastings and back; hence the Second Battle of
Hastings tag. A small number of rockers were isolated on Brighton beach
where they – despite being protected by police – were overwhelmed and
assaulted by mods."
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Maria wrote:
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People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
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I was not allowed to carry any type of knife as a kid, or even own one.
It didn't stop me wanting one, however. I sort of saw it as a coming
of age thing. However, I didn't want one so that I could go and plunge
it into the vitals of someone who I might think didn't show me the
respect I believed was due to me.
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Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car?
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I think people are carrying knives more because society as a whole has
become more violent. In addition, we also live in a society where, for
many teenagers, turning the other cheek is seen as a form of weakness
and violence a noble response for any slight, real or imagined.
Further, the sense of insecurity people feel due to the increased level
of violence and the perceived necessity to prove oneself leads to the
distorted view that carrying a knife is necessary for 'protection'.
I'm started to wonder more what role television, cinema and music play
in promoting violent behaviour. How much does the violence and
aggression inherent in some television, cinema and music cause people to
become desensitised? How much does it reflect our society?
Is it in some ways a vicious circle?
I used to scoff at the idea that behaviour could be influenced by forms
of entertainment. I didn't know anyone who was influenced negatively by
the violence in any form of entertainment, but neither do I hang around
with no-hopers who are easily led. I'm still against censorship, but
I'm starting to think that entertainment should be classified according
to its content much more conservatively than it currently is, with harsh
penalties to anyone who lets such material fall into the hands of those
who are not permitted by law to receive it. |
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Edster
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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White Spirit <wspirit@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
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Maria wrote:
People seem bemused as to what is causing the present phenomenon of
knife-carrying, and I just wondered if it really is merely about
prohibition - that knife carrying was normal and allowed when we were
kids but now it isn't, so there is more risk and attraction to it.
I was not allowed to carry any type of knife as a kid, or even own one.
It didn't stop me wanting one, however. I sort of saw it as a coming
of age thing. However, I didn't want one so that I could go and plunge
it into the vitals of someone who I might think didn't show me the
respect I believed was due to me.
Every other type of behaviour prohibited by law seems to be more
common after prohibition than before, though I have not heard one
person in the public debate suggest it as a reason in this case.
Do I recall correctly that the first person prosecuted ('to set an
example') under the modern knife-carrying law was a carpet-fitter
'caught' with a Stanley Knife in the glovebox of his car?
I think people are carrying knives more because society as a whole has
become more violent. In addition, we also live in a society where, for
many teenagers, turning the other cheek is seen as a form of weakness
and violence a noble response for any slight, real or imagined.
Further, the sense of insecurity people feel due to the increased level
of violence and the perceived necessity to prove oneself leads to the
distorted view that carrying a knife is necessary for 'protection'.
I'm started to wonder more what role television, cinema and music play
in promoting violent behaviour. How much does the violence and
aggression inherent in some television, cinema and music cause people to
become desensitised? How much does it reflect our society?
Is it in some ways a vicious circle?
I used to scoff at the idea that behaviour could be influenced by forms
of entertainment. I didn't know anyone who was influenced negatively by
the violence in any form of entertainment, but neither do I hang around
with no-hopers who are easily led. I'm still against censorship, but
I'm starting to think that entertainment should be classified according
to its content much more conservatively than it currently is, with harsh
penalties to anyone who lets such material fall into the hands of those
who are not permitted by law to receive it.
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If censoring entertainment is the answer, why hasn't there been a
decrease in violent crime since the mid 1980s when video censorship
was introduced? The current generation of children that is running
around stabbing each other is the generation that was deprived of
italian zombie films in order to make them less violent. Idiots like
you are just using them as an excuse for even more restrictions on
what adults can do. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> wrote:
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NB I was in the rockers group - most of the fights were fisticuffs,
not stabbings - that would be quite rare IIRC.
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Exactly. We used to kick each other to death with our steel toe cap
boots, but at least we never used to stab each other. It's obviously
the fault of Italian zombie films and people having sex on TV. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Jul 15, 6:31 pm, James Hammerton <jah.use...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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If I carry a knife of any size, that action causes no harm to anyone.
Why should I be required to provide "reasonable excuse" to the
authorities for doing so?
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Because the lack of such a requirement would in itself be a carte
blanche for individuals to tool up and prowl the streets equipped to
cause death or serious injury. Society is a little more than an
aggregation of rights there is room for some responsibility too.
Why should a suspected burglar not be asked to account for a hammer or
a jemmy on his person?
Do you not believe in crime prevention of are you one of those who
feels that a criminal should only be challenged after he has
committed a crime. In the case of knife crime that can be tragically
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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If censoring entertainment is the answer, why hasn't there been a
decrease in violent crime since the mid 1980s when video censorship
was introduced? The current generation of children that is running
around stabbing each other is the generation that was deprived of
italian zombie films in order to make them less violent. Idiots like
you are just using them as an excuse for even more restrictions on
what adults can do.
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I didn't say anything advocating cencorship. It's a shame that idiots
like you can't read.
Now fuck off. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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In the 18 Century England suffered a spate of garroting attacks this
was soon stopped by bringing in hanging. |
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