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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:04:09 -0400, Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org>
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:10:19 +0100, James Hammerton <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk
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Mike Ross wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:29:10 +0100, "Tom" <Not@chance.com> wrote:
snip
You right about having the right to carry any other knife (*with certain
restrictions*) if you have a good reason for doing so.
Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 139(1).
Offence: It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good
reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting
edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches.
*Some knives are classed as offensive weapons such as flick knives, gravity
knives and bladed weapons concealed within other objects (i.e. belt buckle
knives) and cannot be carried under any circumstances
I've heard this bandied about more than once and no-one has been able to quote
the relevant legislation.
From:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880033_en_14#pt11-pb3-l1g139
"139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an
article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall
be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article
which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of
its blade exceeds 3 inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under
this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for
having the article with him in a public place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it
shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this
section to prove that he had the article with him—
(a) for use at work;
(b) for religious reasons; or
(c) as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be
liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the
standard scale.
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the
material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on
payment or otherwise.
( This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done
before it comes into force. "
Satisfied?
No.
You could have looked it up on the basis of the information
already posted.
I didn't need to - I had already read the above legislation, which I was I was
pretty sure there was no blanket ban on carrying gravity/flick knives.
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There is a ban in that they are not permitted to be sold or traded
being classed as offensive weapons. The carrying of an offensive
weapon in a public place is illegal
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1959/cukpga_19590037_en_1
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What I wondered was, was the previous poster aware of some OTHER legislation I
hadn't heard about, which affected the *carrying* of such knives, over and above
the above cited act? No-one has ever been able to cite such legislation, so I
can only presume it doesn't exist.
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Other knife acts
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/ukpga_19960026_en_1
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/ukpga_19970021_en_1 |
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James Hammerton
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Edster wrote:
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James Hammerton <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Maybe all that's needed is to allow "self defence" as one of the
reasonable excuses though, except you'd object it also provides "carte
blanche".
You would end up with old grannies stabbing little kids because they
thought they were laughing at them in a sinister way.
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Did this ever happen when we were allowed to carry weapons?!
James
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James Hammerton
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Mike Ross wrote:
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:10:19 +0100, James Hammerton <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
Mike Ross wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:29:10 +0100, "Tom" <Not@chance.com> wrote:
snip
You right about having the right to carry any other knife (*with certain
restrictions*) if you have a good reason for doing so.
Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 139(1).
Offence: It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good
reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting
edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches.
*Some knives are classed as offensive weapons such as flick knives, gravity
knives and bladed weapons concealed within other objects (i.e. belt buckle
knives) and cannot be carried under any circumstances
I've heard this bandied about more than once and no-one has been able to quote
the relevant legislation.
From:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880033_en_14#pt11-pb3-l1g139
"139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an
article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall
be guilty of an offence.
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[etc... snipped]
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( This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done
before it comes into force. "
Satisfied?
No.
You could have looked it up on the basis of the information
already posted.
I didn't need to - I had already read the above legislation, which I was I was
pretty sure there was no blanket ban on carrying gravity/flick knives.
What I wondered was, was the previous poster aware of some OTHER legislation I
hadn't heard about, which affected the *carrying* of such knives, over and above
the above cited act? No-one has ever been able to cite such legislation, so I
can only presume it doesn't exist.
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Apologies, I misunderstood what you were getting at.
James
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Mike Ross
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:47:15 +0100, Alang <invalid@invalid.co.uk> wrote:
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:04:09 -0400, Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:10:19 +0100, James Hammerton <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
Mike Ross wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:29:10 +0100, "Tom" <Not@chance.com> wrote:
snip
You right about having the right to carry any other knife (*with certain
restrictions*) if you have a good reason for doing so.
Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 139(1).
Offence: It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good
reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting
edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches.
*Some knives are classed as offensive weapons such as flick knives, gravity
knives and bladed weapons concealed within other objects (i.e. belt buckle
knives) and cannot be carried under any circumstances
I've heard this bandied about more than once and no-one has been able to quote
the relevant legislation.
From:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880033_en_14#pt11-pb3-l1g139
"139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an
article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall
be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article
which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of
its blade exceeds 3 inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under
this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for
having the article with him in a public place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it
shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this
section to prove that he had the article with him
(a) for use at work;
(b) for religious reasons; or
(c) as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be
liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the
standard scale.
(7) In this section public place includes any place to which at the
material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on
payment or otherwise.
( This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done
before it comes into force. "
Satisfied?
No.
You could have looked it up on the basis of the information
already posted.
I didn't need to - I had already read the above legislation, which I was I was
pretty sure there was no blanket ban on carrying gravity/flick knives.
There is a ban in that they are not permitted to be sold or traded
being classed as offensive weapons. The carrying of an offensive
weapon in a public place is illegal
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1959/cukpga_19590037_en_1
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Errrrr no. The above says:
"An Act to amend the law in relation to the making and disposing and importation
of flick knives and other dangerous weapons.
[14th May 1959]
1 Penalties for offences in connection with dangerous weapons
(1)Any person who manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, [F1or
exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire] or lends or
gives to any other person
(a)any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the
knife, sometimes known as a flick knife or flick gun; or
(b)any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath
thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and
which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or
other device, sometimes known as a gravity knife,
shall be guilty of an offence..."
That's it. *Nothing* about carrying offensive weapons there, just making or
selling them. Which is what I've said all along. So where did you get "The
carrying of an offensive weapon in a public place is illegal"?
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What I wondered was, was the previous poster aware of some OTHER legislation I
hadn't heard about, which affected the *carrying* of such knives, over and above
the above cited act? No-one has ever been able to cite such legislation, so I
can only presume it doesn't exist.
Other knife acts
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/ukpga_19960026_en_1
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Which is all about "Increased penalty for offence of carrying an offensive
weapon without lawful authority or reasonable excuse" - note the 'lawful
authority or reasonable excuse' exemption there. Certainly not a ban on carrying
flick/gravity knives there - they're subject to the same 'lawful authority or
reasonable excuse' test as any other knives.
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http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/ukpga_19970021_en_1
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Which is "An Act to create new criminal offences in relation to the possession
or marketing of, and publications relating to, knives; to confer powers on the
police to stop and search people or vehicles for knives and other offensive
weapons and to seize items found; and for connected purposes." - so, marketing
and stop & search. Nothing there that makes it illegal to carry a flick/gravity
knife 'with lawful authority or reasonable excuse'.
Note that I'm happy to accept that the circumstances in which a person WOULD
have 'lawful authority or reasonable excuse' to carry a gravity or flick knife
are very limited, I'm not disputing that. But I still haven't seen anything to
suggest that there's a flat, no-exemption ban, that carrying offensive weapons
is ALWAYS illegal. It isn't, you're wrong.
Mike
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Alang
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:35 -0400, Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org>
wrote:
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:47:15 +0100, Alang <invalid@invalid.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:04:09 -0400, Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:10:19 +0100, James Hammerton <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
Mike Ross wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:29:10 +0100, "Tom" <Not@chance.com> wrote:
snip
You right about having the right to carry any other knife (*with certain
restrictions*) if you have a good reason for doing so.
Criminal Justice Act, 1988. Section 139(1).
Offence: It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good
reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting
edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches.
*Some knives are classed as offensive weapons such as flick knives, gravity
knives and bladed weapons concealed within other objects (i.e. belt buckle
knives) and cannot be carried under any circumstances
I've heard this bandied about more than once and no-one has been able to quote
the relevant legislation.
From:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880033_en_14#pt11-pb3-l1g139
"139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an
article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall
be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article
which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of
its blade exceeds 3 inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under
this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for
having the article with him in a public place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it
shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this
section to prove that he had the article with him—
(a) for use at work;
(b) for religious reasons; or
(c) as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be
liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the
standard scale.
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the
material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on
payment or otherwise.
( This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done
before it comes into force. "
Satisfied?
No.
You could have looked it up on the basis of the information
already posted.
I didn't need to - I had already read the above legislation, which I was I was
pretty sure there was no blanket ban on carrying gravity/flick knives.
There is a ban in that they are not permitted to be sold or traded
being classed as offensive weapons. The carrying of an offensive
weapon in a public place is illegal
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/Acts/ukpga/1959/cukpga_19590037_en_1
Errrrr no. The above says:
"An Act to amend the law in relation to the making and disposing and importation
of flick knives and other dangerous weapons.
[14th May 1959]
1 Penalties for offences in connection with dangerous weapons
(1)Any person who manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, [F1or
exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire] or lends or
gives to any other person—
(a)any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the
knife, sometimes known as a “flick knife” or “flick gun”; or
(b)any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath
thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and
which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or
other device, sometimes known as a “gravity knife”,
shall be guilty of an offence..."
That's it. *Nothing* about carrying offensive weapons there, just making or
selling them. Which is what I've said all along. So where did you get "The
carrying of an offensive weapon in a public place is illegal"?
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Short title, commencement and extent
(1)This Act may be cited as the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act
1959.
Because they are banned there is no lawful reason for carrying one in
a public place.
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What I wondered was, was the previous poster aware of some OTHER legislation I
hadn't heard about, which affected the *carrying* of such knives, over and above
the above cited act? No-one has ever been able to cite such legislation, so I
can only presume it doesn't exist.
Other knife acts
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/ukpga_19960026_en_1
Which is all about "Increased penalty for offence of carrying an offensive
weapon without lawful authority or reasonable excuse" - note the 'lawful
authority or reasonable excuse' exemption there. Certainly not a ban on carrying
flick/gravity knives there - they're subject to the same 'lawful authority or
reasonable excuse' test as any other knives.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1997/ukpga_19970021_en_1
Which is "An Act to create new criminal offences in relation to the possession
or marketing of, and publications relating to, knives; to confer powers on the
police to stop and search people or vehicles for knives and other offensive
weapons and to seize items found; and for connected purposes." - so, marketing
and stop & search. Nothing there that makes it illegal to carry a flick/gravity
knife 'with lawful authority or reasonable excuse'.
Note that I'm happy to accept that the circumstances in which a person WOULD
have 'lawful authority or reasonable excuse' to carry a gravity or flick knife
are very limited, I'm not disputing that. But I still haven't seen anything to
suggest that there's a flat, no-exemption ban, that carrying offensive weapons
is ALWAYS illegal. It isn't, you're wrong.
Mike |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Edster wrote:
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote:
Edster wrote:
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, let's get this in perspective.
It is largely a problem of Blacks stabbing Blacks (or more rarely
others). Take out those stats and the situation isn't much worse than it
was 20 years ago.
If thats the case, why didn't it start happening in the early 1970s
when they first started moving here in large numbers? Why would it
take over 30 years to start happening?
Because Black (male) culture has changed for the worse. The original
immigrants were decent, socialised, people who came here and stepped
into jobs, acquired housing etc. Their (male) children just can't hack
it in White society. That's why they are obsessed with status symbols,
from BMWs with spinner wheels to guns.
Compare Black women's education levels with those of Black males.
Why wouldn't the women be subject to the same influences as the men?
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They are.
However, I would guess that the problem lies with the fact that Black
males have far higher testosterone levels than Whites or Asians. Just
with that fact alone one might expect higher levels of aggression,
violence and impulsiveness. Couple that with the failure of discipline
in schools over the past 40 years and the breakup of the family (esp
Black families)...
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Mike Ross
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:08:44 +0100, Alang <invalid@invalid.co.uk> wrote:
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:24:35 -0400, Mike Ross <mike@corestore.org
wrote:
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<time to snip>
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"An Act to amend the law in relation to the making and disposing and importation
of flick knives and other dangerous weapons.
[14th May 1959]
1 Penalties for offences in connection with dangerous weapons
(1)Any person who manufactures, sells or hires or offers for sale or hire, [F1or
exposes or has in his possession for the purpose of sale or hire] or lends or
gives to any other person
(a)any knife which has a blade which opens automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the handle of the
knife, sometimes known as a flick knife or flick gun; or
(b)any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath
thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and
which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or
other device, sometimes known as a gravity knife,
shall be guilty of an offence..."
That's it. *Nothing* about carrying offensive weapons there, just making or
selling them. Which is what I've said all along. So where did you get "The
carrying of an offensive weapon in a public place is illegal"?
Short title, commencement and extent
(1)This Act may be cited as the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act
1959.
Because they are banned there is no lawful reason for carrying one in
a public place.
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'banned' in what sense? That's rather loose language, and we have to be specific
here.
NO lawful reason? Are you SURE? Better go talk to the Sealed Knot, and various
other battle re-enactors, who carry all kinds of weaponry. As another poster has
already pointed out. Or talk to any firefighter who carries a gravity knife for
self-rescue. As I have pointed out in a previous thread on this topic.
Mike
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote:
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Black
males have far higher testosterone levels than Whites or Asians.
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Thore
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:46:09 +0100, Edster <me@privacy.com> wrote:
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James Hammerton <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Mel Rowing wrote:
On Jul 15, 7:30 pm, count zero <adrianbo...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
In the 18 Century England suffered a spate of garroting attacks this
was soon stopped by bringing in hanging.
I'm sure hanging goes back much further than that.
All the same, back in the 60's we as a nation were persuaded that we
could without cost or consequence abolish the ultimate sanction
against murder. Few believed it at the time and events since have
shown the persuaders to in fact have been wrong.
What studies have been done that disentangle all the other myriad of
changes that were occurring at the time and since to show that the
abolishing the DP contributed to the rise in crime independently of
other factors?
James
In the 60s and 70s all the teachers were thugs who would regularly
beat children with sticks at the slightest excuse. It started from the
age of 5, and continued up until school leaving age at 15. Apart from
all the broken bones and mental health issues in later life, it never
did us any harm.
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The beating went on in the 40s and 50s. Can't recall any broken bones
but there were plenty of boys left bleeding after a beating.
They even made a funny tv show about it.
http://www.whirligig-tv.co.uk/tv/adults/whacko/whacko.htm |
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Ophelia
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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iardo wrote:
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William Black wrote:
"James Hammerton" <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6e4lr5F5btikU1@mid.individual.net...
Mel Rowing wrote:
On Jul 15, 7:30 pm, count zero <adrianbo...@postmaster.co.uk
wrote:
In the 18 Century England suffered a spate of garroting attacks
this was soon stopped by bringing in hanging.
I'm sure hanging goes back much further than that.
All the same, back in the 60's we as a nation were persuaded that
we could without cost or consequence abolish the ultimate sanction
against murder. Few believed it at the time and events since have
shown the persuaders to in fact have been wrong.
What studies have been done that disentangle all the other myriad of
changes that were occurring at the time and since to show that the
abolishing the DP contributed to the rise in crime independently of
other factors?
It doesn't matter.
That's not why they abolished it.
They abolished it because they kept hanging the wrong person.
Who was that person?
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iardo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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William Black wrote:
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"James Hammerton" <jah.usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6e4lr5F5btikU1@mid.individual.net...
Mel Rowing wrote:
On Jul 15, 7:30 pm, count zero <adrianbo...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
In the 18 Century England suffered a spate of garroting attacks this
was soon stopped by bringing in hanging.
I'm sure hanging goes back much further than that.
All the same, back in the 60's we as a nation were persuaded that we
could without cost or consequence abolish the ultimate sanction
against murder. Few believed it at the time and events since have
shown the persuaders to in fact have been wrong.
What studies have been done that disentangle all the other myriad of
changes that were occurring at the time and since to show that the
abolishing the DP contributed to the rise in crime independently of other
factors?
It doesn't matter.
That's not why they abolished it.
They abolished it because they kept hanging the wrong person.
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iardo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Knife Problem - Is it All About Prohibition? |
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"Mike Ross" <mike@corestore.org> wrote in message
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I've heard this bandied about more than once and no-one has been able to
quote
the relevant legislation. I think you're wrong. AFAIK it is illegal to
sell,
rent, or import a flick knife, gravity knife etc. - but it is NOT illegal
to own
one, and it's no more illegal to carry one than it is to carry any other
knife,
i.e. it's legal if you have a 'good reason' for doing so.
True.
I've seen WWI re-enactors carry knuckle dusters with knives attached and
WWII re-enactors carry 'gravity knives'. These items are not even allowed
to be sold to most of us, never mind shown off in a public place.
The Home Office (or whatever they're called this week) accepts re-enactment
as a 'good reason' for all sorts of stuff to do with weapons.
It's the reason the Sealed Knot can go marching down the street carrying
firearms and a selection of huge edged weapons without any problems from the
local plod.
Well, the local plods don't like it up 'em, so discretion is the better |
part of valour in such circumstances.
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