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Lamont Cranston wrote:
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David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman - Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson - Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
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Then we had a Democrat Congress. |
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Lamont Cranston
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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David Hartung wrote:
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S.
Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B.
Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
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No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress
with a Democratic majority.) |
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Gandalf Grey
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@intheshadows.com> wrote in message
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David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
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Exactly. There is no such thing as a "democrat congress". What we see here
is the childish attempt on the part of the GOP to take a slap at the
Democratic party. The most famous proponent of the "democrat" slur was the
infamous alcoholic demagogue, Joe McCarthy.
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:44 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
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David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
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Same thing.
The bottom line is that it was the American left and the media which
lost us Vietnam, In my opinion. |
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Gandalf Grey
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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"David Hartung" <d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Same thing.
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Since there is no such thing as the "Democrat Party" it's not the same thing
and all you're doing is demonstrating your ignorance once again.
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The bottom line is that it was the American left and the media which lost
us Vietnam, In my opinion.
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And since you can't even handle known facts like the subpoena law, your
opinion is worthless. |
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Lamont Cranston
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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David Hartung wrote:
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S.
Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B.
Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a
Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Same thing.
The bottom line is that it was the American left and the
media which
lost us Vietnam, In my opinion.
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The bottom line is we should never have been in Vietnam to
begin with. It's the same bottom line as with Iraq.
The reason that we lost in Vietnam is that the American
people finally realized that we should never have been
there. The justification for being there, the Domino
Theory, was a fraud, just as Iraq's possession of WMDs was a
fraud. |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
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David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Same thing.
The bottom line is that it was the American left and the media which
lost us Vietnam, In my opinion.
The bottom line is we should never have been in Vietnam to begin with.
It's the same bottom line as with Iraq.
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You may be correct, but as of right now, I am not convinced.
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The reason that we lost in Vietnam is that the American people finally
realized that we should never have been there. The justification for
being there, the Domino Theory, was a fraud, just as Iraq's possession
of WMDs was a fraud.
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We lost in Vietnam because Joihnson did not have the spine to do the Job
properly, which is the same reason North Korea is still a separate nation.
had Truman and Johnson done what they should have, Korea would have been
united in 1953, and Vietnam would have been united under a freely
elected government by 1968. |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
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"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@intheshadows.com> wrote in message
news:g5iqjj$vaf$1@news.datemas.de...
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Exactly. There is no such thing as a "democrat congress". What we see here
is the childish attempt on the part of the GOP to take a slap at the
Democratic party. The most famous proponent of the "democrat" slur was the
infamous alcoholic demagogue, Joe McCarthy.
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What we have here is a thin skinned individual.
Get over it. |
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David Hartung
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
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"David Hartung" <d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Same thing.
Since there is no such thing as the "Democrat Party" it's not the same thing
and all you're doing is demonstrating your ignorance once again.
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While you demonstrate that you have a thin skin.
One of us has a problem, and it is not me. |
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Gandalf Grey
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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"David Hartung" <d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
"David Hartung" <d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Same thing.
Since there is no such thing as the "Democrat Party" it's not the same
thing and all you're doing is demonstrating your ignorance once again.
While you demonstrate that you have a thin skin.
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The historic attempt on the part of the GOP to use code words to refer to
the Democratic Party has nothing to do with my skin, thick or thin. It has
much more to do with the childishness of the GOP.
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One of us has a problem, and it is not me.
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The problem is that you're either extremely stupid or hypocritical or both. |
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Gandalf Grey
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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"David Hartung" <d_hartung@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Gandalf Grey wrote:
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont.Cranston@intheshadows.com> wrote in message
news:g5iqjj$vaf$1@news.datemas.de...
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
4114 Dead wrote:
Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
How do you figure that Korea was lost?
Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson -
Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Lost by the Media and a Democrat Congress.
There was no "Democrat Congress."
Which party controlled the Congress from 1970-1975?
The Democratic Party.
Then we had a Democrat Congress.
No, we had Democratic Congress. (Actually we had a Congress with a
Democratic majority.)
Exactly. There is no such thing as a "democrat congress". What we see
here is the childish attempt on the part of the GOP to take a slap at the
Democratic party. The most famous proponent of the "democrat" slur was
the infamous alcoholic demagogue, Joe McCarthy.
What we have here is a thin skinned individual.
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No. He was both an alcoholic and demagogue. But he wasn't particularly
thin-skinned. |
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Jim Austin
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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On Jul 14, 6:21 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
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"Jim Austin" <b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 12:56 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Jim Austin" <b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 9:39 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
A Note to the Peace Movement
By David Swanson
Created Jul 13 2008 - 10:58am
The peace movement has stood for peace and justice, for ending wars,
preventing new ones, and building peace.
No. The peace movement has stood for dictatorship and terrorism.
Actually, the GOP has stood for dictatorship and terrorism.
In the 1960s, the peace movement sided with the communist countries
against the United States.
Ronald Reagan's Crime Regime illegally supplied guns for a dictatorship in
direct defiance of the Unites States Congress.
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A Democratic Congress did try to criminalize resistance to communist
aggression as they now try to criminalize resistance to terrorism.
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U.S. Republicans sided with Hitler right up to the point of the beginning of WWII
and some of them even after learning of his murder of millions of innocent human
beings.
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A lie.
Pacifists sided with Hitler before and all during World War II. Peace
movement types sought to disarm nations threatened by Nazi Germany
before the war and undermine the effort during the war.
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Don't try to sell me on the right wing's having clean hands
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Peace movements side with aggressors. They share the guilt of
aggression. |
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Ralph
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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4114 Dead <zepp22114114@finestplanet.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:50:37 -0700, nospam@noway.net (Ralph) wrote:
Gandalf Grey <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote:
We can still work against recruitment, we can still educate, we can still
agitate,
You mean make the war difficut so that more of our soldiers die.
Say no to war unless a democrat is president.
WAR!! WAR!! DEMOCRATS AND WAAAAR!!!!
(the DRAFT included!!)
World War I - 1917 - 116,708 KIA - Woodrow Wilson - Democrat
And won by a Democrat.
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I thought that was a draw and the US was a minor player. And as it
turned out, since the Lusatania was found divers have discovered she was
carrying a considerable amount of munitions which means her sinking was
justified which means Woodrow Wilson lied us into World War II.
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World War II - 1941 - 408,306 -KIA Franklin D. Roosevelt - Democrat
And won by a Democrat.
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It was the raw deal the germans got at the end of World War I that led
to World War II. If the US had a stronger military and had the allies
stood up to Hitler sooner it's likely the war would have been over
sooner.
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Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman - Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
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I thought it was a draw. While the Soviets were sending surplus arms to
North Korea, Truman was turning our military equipment into scrap metal
for the new German economy. Had he recognized the threat and armed South
Korea the war would likely never have happened.
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Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson - Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
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Nixon had it won, but was forced to pull out because of political
pressure from the left.
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The three wars since then have been started and lost by Republicans.
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Oh, did we forget Desert Storm and the Cold War?
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4114 Dead
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:12:22 -0700, nospam@noway.net (Ralph) wrote:
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4114 Dead <zepp22114114@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:50:37 -0700, nospam@noway.net (Ralph) wrote:
Gandalf Grey <valinor20@gmail.com> wrote:
We can still work against recruitment, we can still educate, we can still
agitate,
You mean make the war difficut so that more of our soldiers die.
Say no to war unless a democrat is president.
WAR!! WAR!! DEMOCRATS AND WAAAAR!!!!
(the DRAFT included!!)
World War I - 1917 - 116,708 KIA - Woodrow Wilson - Democrat
And won by a Democrat.
I thought that was a draw and the US was a minor player. And as it
turned out, since the Lusatania was found divers have discovered she was
carrying a considerable amount of munitions which means her sinking was
justified which means Woodrow Wilson lied us into World War II.
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France and England won quite convincingly. America played a
relatively minor role.
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World War II - 1941 - 408,306 -KIA Franklin D. Roosevelt - Democrat
And won by a Democrat.
It was the raw deal the germans got at the end of World War I that led
to World War II. If the US had a stronger military and had the allies
stood up to Hitler sooner it's likely the war would have been over
sooner.
And if Superman was real, it would have ended even faster! |
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Korean War - 1950 - 54,246 KIA - Harry S. Truman - Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
I thought it was a draw. While the Soviets were sending surplus arms to
North Korea, Truman was turning our military equipment into scrap metal
for the new German economy. Had he recognized the threat and armed South
Korea the war would likely never have happened.
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You just defined a draw as a loss discussing ww1.
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Vietnam War - 1965 - 58,159 KIA - Lyndon B. Johnson - Democrat
Lost by a Republican.
Nixon had it won, but was forced to pull out because of political
pressure from the left.
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Nixon had to settle for the same terms the North Vietnamese were
offering in 1968. Too bad he sabotaged the peace talks for political
gain. That was about 20,000 Americans shot to shit so he could enjoy
a little bump in the polls.
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The three wars since then have been started and lost by Republicans.
Oh, did we forget Desert Storm and the Cold War?
I thought Desert Storm was why you are stuck in the occupation |
quagmire in Iraq now. Hardly a victory.
As for the cold war, maybe you could tell us what battles were fought
and how many Russian troops died.
Ha ha ha.
What do you call a Republican with a conscience?
An ex-Republican.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=8827 (From Yang, AthD (h.c)
"Prosperity and peace are in the balance," -- Putsch, not admitting that he's against both
Putsch: leading America to asymetric warfare since 2001
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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Gandalf Grey
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: A Note to the Peace Movement |
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On Jul 14, 6:21 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Jim Austin" <b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 12:56 pm, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Jim Austin" <b...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 9:39 am, "Gandalf Grey" <valino...@gmail.com> wrote:
A Note to the Peace Movement
By David Swanson
Created Jul 13 2008 - 10:58am
The peace movement has stood for peace and justice, for ending
wars,
preventing new ones, and building peace.
No. The peace movement has stood for dictatorship and terrorism.
Actually, the GOP has stood for dictatorship and terrorism.
In the 1960s, the peace movement sided with the communist countries
against the United States.
Ronald Reagan's Crime Regime illegally supplied guns for a dictatorship
in
direct defiance of the Unites States Congress.
A Democratic Congress did try to criminalize resistance to communist
aggression as they now try to criminalize resistance to terrorism.
U.S. Republicans sided with Hitler right up to the point of the beginning
of WWII
and some of them even after learning of his murder of millions of
innocent human
beings.
A lie.
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Historical truth. Pop quiz, asshole. Charles Lindbergh was a 1.
Republican, or 2. Democrat? Father Charles Coughlin, the radio priest and
arch enemy of FDR was 1. Republican or 2. Democrat? Republicans in Congress
opposed America's involvement in WWII right up to Pearl Harbor, True or
False? |
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