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 Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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With crime rates increasing at record rates, is there a way to track
car numbers? For example, when a thug commits a crime and speeds away
with his numbers visible can residents actually find the person's
identity?
As a parallel, a private detective worked for me years ago and tracked
someone within just 30 minutes using computers and I gave him almost
no information (full name, date of birth and an address than was over
ten years old). He said it was all about "contacts." But he said it
was a little senstive getting this type of data.
Is there any agency to get car numbers identified? |
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Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't W
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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On Jul 13, 5:38 pm, johannes <j...@siz368568508efitter.com> wrote:
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Yes, DVLA can give you the details if you have genuine reasons for
requesting them, e.g. if a car ran into your car.
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No, DVLA will give you them as long as you pay them the requisite fee,
irrespective of your reasons for needing to know same. |
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Logician
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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On Jul 13, 6:26 pm, "Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't Work"
<the.pheasant.pluc...@gmx.com> wrote:
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On Jul 13, 5:38 pm, johannes <j...@siz368568508efitter.com> wrote:
Yes, DVLA can give you the details if you have genuine reasons for
requesting them, e.g. if a car ran into your car.
No, DVLA will give you them as long as you pay them the requisite fee,
irrespective of your reasons for needing to know same.
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I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
But sadly, we are seeing so many crimes in this age, that clearly a
service to identify criminals is needed. The local police force is
presently on vacation, so there is no help from that direction. |
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Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't W
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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On Jul 13, 6:58 pm, johannes <j...@siz368568508efitter.com> wrote:
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I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Sure, but that's a genuine reason.
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You regard chasing up the RK to establish who the driver is when a
parking infraction occurs as "a genuine reason"?
Hint: RK doesn't necessarily equal driver. |
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Logician
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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On Jul 13, 6:51 pm, Alasdair <m...@bobaxter.coo.uk> wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Logician
sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
That does surprise me. Ever since registration numbers were
introduced in 1903, it was possible to obtain the name of the
registered keeper on payment of a fee and having a good reason for
wanting the info.
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Personally, I think all this information should be available online
for all to see for free.
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Alasdair.
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I will try again. I agree data should be public. Only criminals want
secrets. The privacy nuts are having a go at Google now for its Street
View over breaches of privacy laws. They never give up. If we left it
to them, some awful official would control all the data. They want us
back in time. |
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johannes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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Logician wrote:
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With crime rates increasing at record rates, is there a way to track
car numbers? For example, when a thug commits a crime and speeds away
with his numbers visible can residents actually find the person's
identity?
As a parallel, a private detective worked for me years ago and tracked
someone within just 30 minutes using computers and I gave him almost
no information (full name, date of birth and an address than was over
ten years old). He said it was all about "contacts." But he said it
was a little senstive getting this type of data.
Is there any agency to get car numbers identified?
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Yes, DVLA can give you the details if you have genuine reasons for
requesting them, e.g. if a car ran into your car.
However, the new registration system introduced on 1 September 2001
gives away some information. The first letter indicate the region and
the second letter indicates the local DVLA office in the region where
the car was registered. |
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Adam Nevit
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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Logician wrote:
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With crime rates increasing at record rates, is there a way to track
car numbers? For example, when a thug commits a crime and speeds away
with his numbers visible can residents actually find the person's
identity?
As a parallel, a private detective worked for me years ago and tracked
someone within just 30 minutes using computers and I gave him almost
no information (full name, date of birth and an address than was over
ten years old). He said it was all about "contacts." But he said it
was a little senstive getting this type of data.
Is there any agency to get car numbers identified?
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That would be the good old fashioned ' bung a bent copper 10 bob' method. |
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Alasdair
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Logician
<sales@logicians.com> wrote:
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I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
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That does surprise me. Ever since registration numbers were
introduced in 1903, it was possible to obtain the name of the
registered keeper on payment of a fee and having a good reason for
wanting the info.
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Personally, I think all this information should be available online
for all to see for free.
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Alasdair. |
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johannes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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Alasdair wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Logician
sales@logicians.com> wrote:
I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
That does surprise me. Ever since registration numbers were
introduced in 1903, it was possible to obtain the name of the
registered keeper on payment of a fee and having a good reason for
wanting the info.
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
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Sure, but that's a genuine reason.
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Personally, I think all this information should be available online
for all to see for free.
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But what for? You can get the info if you really need it. Otherwise,
privacy should be respected. |
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johannes
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't Work wrote:
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On Jul 13, 6:58 pm, johannes <j...@siz368568508efitter.com> wrote:
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Sure, but that's a genuine reason.
You regard chasing up the RK to establish who the driver is when a
parking infraction occurs as "a genuine reason"?
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It doesn't necessarily mean that the penalty (or whatever) is correct or
that it will stick. But it is an objective reason that there might be a
claim (or otherwise).
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Hint: RK doesn't necessarily equal driver.
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But RK should know. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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"johannes" <johs@siz368568508efitter.com> wrote in message
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Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't Work wrote:
On Jul 13, 6:58 pm, johannes <j...@siz368568508efitter.com> wrote:
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up
drivers
who park and don't pay.
Sure, but that's a genuine reason.
You regard chasing up the RK to establish who the driver is when a
parking infraction occurs as "a genuine reason"?
It doesn't necessarily mean that the penalty (or whatever) is correct or
that it will stick. But it is an objective reason that there might be a
claim (or otherwise).
Hint: RK doesn't necessarily equal driver.
But RK should know.
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Quite possibly. What obligation is he under to tell the private car park who
was driving?
HINT: Answer - none. |
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ŽiŠardo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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johannes wrote:
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Logician wrote:
With crime rates increasing at record rates, is there a way to track
car numbers? For example, when a thug commits a crime and speeds away
with his numbers visible can residents actually find the person's
identity?
As a parallel, a private detective worked for me years ago and tracked
someone within just 30 minutes using computers and I gave him almost
no information (full name, date of birth and an address than was over
ten years old). He said it was all about "contacts." But he said it
was a little senstive getting this type of data.
Is there any agency to get car numbers identified?
Yes, DVLA can give you the details if you have genuine reasons for
requesting them, e.g. if a car ran into your car.
However, the new registration system introduced on 1 September 2001
gives away some information. The first letter indicate the region and
the second letter indicates the local DVLA office in the region where
the car was registered.
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Even the old style registration marks give you an instant
county/city/district clue based upon the the second and third letters of
the registration.
JKL = KL = Kent
GYA = YA = Somerset
and so on.
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Moving things in still pictures! |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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Alasdair wrote:
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Logician
sales@logicians.com> wrote:
I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
That does surprise me. Ever since registration numbers were
introduced in 1903, it was possible to obtain the name of the
registered keeper on payment of a fee and having a good reason for
wanting the info.
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Personally, I think all this information should be available online
for all to see for free.
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I agree - as a professional burglar I'd only need to check the airport's
longstay carpark and I would have everything I needed for an easy job. |
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Logician
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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On Jul 13, 11:11 pm, "Steve Walker" <spam-t...@beeb.net> wrote:
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Alasdair wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Logician
sa...@logicians.com> wrote:
I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
That does surprise me. Ever since registration numbers were
introduced in 1903, it was possible to obtain the name of the
registered keeper on payment of a fee and having a good reason for
wanting the info.
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Personally, I think all this information should be available online
for all to see for free.
I agree - as a professional burglar I'd only need to check the airport's
longstay carpark and I would have everything I needed for an easy job.- Hide quoted text -
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Got a link finally: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/AdviceOnKeepingYourVehicle/DG_4022067
for applying for the information. |
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Ian Jackson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Tracing Car Numbers? |
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In message <6dvcsgF4hnolU1@mid.individual.net>, Steve Walker
<spam-trap@beeb.net> writes
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Alasdair wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Logician
sales@logicians.com> wrote:
I did try a few weeks ago, and the DVLA said the data was protected.
That does surprise me. Ever since registration numbers were
introduced in 1903, it was possible to obtain the name of the
registered keeper on payment of a fee and having a good reason for
wanting the info.
I believe private car parks use this service a lot to chase up drivers
who park and don't pay.
Personally, I think all this information should be available online
for all to see for free.
I agree - as a professional burglar I'd only need to check the airport's
longstay carpark and I would have everything I needed for an easy job.
Why not make it REALLY easy by requiring the owner's name and address to |
be included on the number plates?
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