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Seon Ferguson
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

"BikeFan" <mistontheloch!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Seon Ferguson wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:17:15 -0400, BikeFan
mistontheloch!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

So you suggest Britain should take it back and hand it over to the
Palestinians? Should take about a week, if they really wanted to. Would
certainly get the Knesset off the hook....

No the Zionists control Israel now but back then they thought they
rulled the world just like America does now. Israel has every right to
exist just like any other country I'm just trying to show people the
Arab's point of view in all this. They arent just "evil people" who
hate and persecute the Jews for no reason. They should forgive the
Jews yes but they have a reason.
I do however think israel should hand over the terrorirty it stole but
maybe when the Arab's stop targeting innocent civilians like they did
when the gaza strip was handed to them. The last thing we need is more
terrorisim but i'm digressing big time now.

I agree. Give back the extra land in return for peace. Might also help if
the Israelis can get their heads out of their arses long enough to come up
with a mutual co-operative economic package. Right now, all I see is a
bunch of lunatics who want to take over the entire region.

--
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Me to and I hate to admit it but if the Arab's get back more land they will
just use it to launch terrorist attacks from it. I think both sides need to
just forgive and work towards a better tomorow before something really bad
happens...

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

"Periander" <4rubbish@britwar.co.uk> wrote in message
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The Todal wrote:
"Periander" <4rubbish@britwar.co.uk> wrote in message
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Don't get so upitty, you may ask yourself what the "Tanks For
Russia" campaign was all about. To save time I'll help you out a
little, to get some unions to sanction war production the Gvt had
to pretend that it was producing weapons for Russia (indeed we
actually kept Russia alive in the end but that's by the by).
However most of the weapons produced during the "Tanks For Russia"
campaign were actually delivered to British forces.

If you don't know your history old bean you have no idea of the
present.

Are you sure you aren't quoting some sort of urban legend?

There is an item on Wikipedia about how blueprints for the newly
invented tanks, during WW1, were disguised as "water tanks for
Russia" to deflect suspicion.

Anyway, I'd be interested to read about how the British unions
sabotaged the war effort. If you can cite a URL or a book, I'd be
greatly obliged.

The TUC website:
http://www.unionhistory.info/timeline/1939_1945.php

" Until 1941 when the Soviet Union entered the war, communists in
Britain, having little commitment to the war effort, refused to be
bound by the national unity consensus and in particular the ban on
strike action. During the first few months of the war, there were
over 900 strikes.. The number of strikes increased each year until
1944

In 1943 there were two major stoppages, one was a strike of 12,000
bus drivers and conductors and the other of dockers in Liverpool and
Birkenhead. Both were a considerable embarrassment to Bevin since
they involved mainly TGWU members. 1944 marked the peak of wartime
strike action with over two thousand stoppages involving the loss of
3,714,000 days' production. "

Well done. I'm amazed the British government let them get away with
it.

In June 1941, eleven thousand workers in a Los Angeles aircraft
factory went on strike. Their job was to produce fulfil orders from
the American and British governments. President Roosevelt ordered the
army to take over the aviation plant: one striker got a bayonet gash
in the thigh.

However, I don't for one moment believe Periander's theory that the
strikers were "protecting their fellow workers in Germany" and were
somehow striking at the behest of Russia or Germany. For that, there
is surely no evidence whatsoever.

Plenty, Sue pointed you in the right direction last night after only a
few minutes search. Smile

I would never attempt to teach you the law on
torts ... inter-war military policy, international politics and military
expansion ... well that's a different kettle of murdering socialist
bastards altogether (Japanese excepted of course who were mearly
murdering bastards).

The real difficulty here Todal is that as a self proclaimed socialist
you won't believe, not can't believe. I suspect that it is because
nowadays there is a lot of confuision between socialism and liberalism
and that liberals knowing no better call themselves socialists without
actually knowing what socialism is.

No, I don't think that's it.

It is of course common knowledge that in the 20's and 30's the Communists
were active in Germany (it was touch and go whether the Communists or the
Nazis would seize power, and eventually the Nazis had it) and in the UK.
And the Communists of course gained a foothold in the trade union movement.

It does not follow that trade unions were supporters of communism, or that
trade unionists went on strike in furtherance of communist principles.
There were always Trots in the Labour Party in the 70's and 80's but only as
a vociferous minority.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

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Back in the 1930s, many people (including of course
Churchill) had great respect for Hitler and believed that he was just
the chap to help us contain the Soviet Union.

Well no.

That was one of the main reasons Churchill was marginalised by the rest
of the Tory party at the time.

One thing you can say for the old monster is that he was always
fundamentally sound on Nazi Germany and Hitler...

Maybe, maybe not.

February 1920. Churchill, writing in a newspaper article, inveighing
against the sinister confederacy of international Jewry. "This movement
among the jews is not new.... it is a world-wide conspiracy for the
overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the
basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible
equality". All loyal jews, he said, must "vindicate the honour of the
jewish name" by repudiating international bolshevism.

Read the whole article.

It's actually in favour of Zionism.

I know. It's fervently against bolshevism, though, and sees the jews as
likely recruits to the bolshevist cause. This puts him at one remove from
Hitler.

Quote:

January 1927: Churchill visits Rome. He says "I could not help being
charmed by Signor Mussolini's gentle and simple bearing" and avers that
Italian fascism is "the necessary antidote to the Russian virus". He
goes on to say "If I had been an Italian I am sure I should have been
entirely with you from the beginning to the end".

Except he wasn't an Italian...

Fortunately not.

Quote:

August 1937: Churchill, reading an article he wrote about Hitler, "Great
Contemporaries", a few years earlier: "Those who have met Herr Hitler
face to face in public business or on social terms have found a highly
competent, cool, well informed functionary with an agreeable manner, a
disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal
magnetism".

Read the whole thing.

He stops being nice about Hitler very quickly...

But nevertheless respects him. He doesn't dismiss him as a lunatic or an
idiot.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

In article <487c4add$0$29827$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...

Quote:

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
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In article <vlpn74tdmbd1t27gf85fubeiuisgvr59jn@4ax.com>,
seongf@gmail.com says...

Seon, Israel has war games, ALL THE TIME. SO DO WE, SO DO MOST
COUNTRIES, if not all. That's what militaries do when they aren't
fighting. What about this don't you (and the usual 911 kooktards)
understand?

Come on its intimidation just like when Iran fired those test missles.
It was to say "if you assholes step one foot in Iran we will be able
to defend ourselves" and they have every right.

Sigh..Some of it is, but that doesn't change the fact that they have
them all the time.

Its all just a show of might. Its like a grown up version of a pissing
contest.

No, it's not. How the hell do you expect a military to fight a war if
you don't PRACTICE IT??

Quote:

Kristol is a right wing kooktard, he's as batshit crazy as the leftwing
911 kooktards.

But the right wing kooktard's involved in the kook doccuments he has
written are in the Bush administration.

Whoopie.

How will paying higher oil prices be a good thing? Do you realise how
expensive they are right now?

Because it forces research into alternative energy, and funding mass
transport.

Do you really think the oil companies will allow this? when they start
losing money they will invest in alternative energies and instead of
wars based on oil it will be wars based on whatever alternative energy
they invest in. It never end's.

They will be involved, money is money.

So whats the point of investing in alternative energy anyway?

So when oil gets scarce, we have other means. Who cares what company
makes it happen? Do you think there is something special about oil
companies?

Quote:

HUH??

Quote:

Of course I dont blaim Zionisim. I blaime typical Brittish arrogance.

Of course you do...

The British were the one's whos igned the balfour decleration. They
were the one's who carved up Palastine.

Yawn. Israel isn't going anywhere. As long as the Muslims insist on
using it as a bogeyman to keep a lid on their own problems, they won't
be going anywhere either. And when/if the oil runs out, or a substitute
source of energy is found that whacks the price of oil down, they will
be up a shit creek. They can't feed themselves, for the most part. I
won't see it (When oil loses some of it's importance), but maybe you
will.

I never said Israel was going anywhere.

I didn't say you did. I was referring to the Muslims and their jew
hating, used as a cover up to keep regimes in power. If they didn't have
the jews to whine about and blame for all their woes, some of them would
probably have a revolt on their hands pretty soon. Just like the jew
hating kooks on usenet, if they didn't have the jews to blame for their
failed lives, they would maybe have to look closer at themselves as the
causes of their failures.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

In article <487c4b35$0$29806$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...

Quote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:13:57 +1000, Seon Ferguson <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:15:48 +0200, Government Shill #2
gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:17:19 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:34 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:01 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Seon Ferguson wrote:
"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene.@hotmail.com.invalid> schrieb
im
Newsbeitrag news:84ni74tjchja9vl1i6f1u3i284f3di0pi6@4ax.com....
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/52255/Iran-ready-to-hit-UK

IRAN is poised to launch terror attacks in Britain if the
West
presses ahead with military strikes against its nuclear
facilities,
intelligence experts warned last night.

how dare Iran think they can defend themselves. they should
just
bow
before Israel and America and let them bomb them. How dare they
fight
back.

Indeed! I quite agree! SUCH a pain in the arse!

Yeah imagine that someone actually defending themselves against
foreign
invaders what nerve.

So Seon, condoning the deliberate murder of women and children
now?

Man! Was I wrong about you. The past 2 days you've shown yourself
to
be
both a racist and a supporter of terrorism. Ya think ya know
someone...

I guess you think iran has the right to defend its self as well.

Yeah. Sure. Not with terrorism. Terrorism is never justified.

Then why are you saying it's justified?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
"Terrorism is "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion."
You are right it never is.

honestly some people, dont you know we arent allowed to defend
ourselves
against
israel?

There are ways people can defend themselves against other people.
Terrorist
attacks, murder of innocent women and children, is not one of them.

Try telling that to israel and America.

Israel and the United States have set out to target and kill
civilians?
When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?

we should lick there boots. Just like the rainbow children should
lick the boots of the police.

Their.

WTF are you ranting about now? Rainbow Children?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3131

How dare people think they have rights. Shame on them!

No one has the *right* to target civilians. Anytime. Anywhere.

No one has a right to bomb another country that doesnt even have a
nuclear
program and never attacked any other country (appart from selling
weapons
to
America's enemies)

Under certain circumstances they do. There are laws covering this very
thing. They are called the Laws of Armed Conflict. You have been shown
them
on several occasions.

It doesnt justafy invading Iran. Maybe in your eyes it does but if
America
ever invades Iran it will be because Bush finally gave into the Israel
lobby.

You're not real good a reading comprehension, are you?

No. It doesn't *justify* invading Iran. It was not meant to. Where did
you
read that it does?

What it does justify is the use of armed force under the right
circumstances. That was the point in discussion. Governments (Israel and
the US for example) can use armed force if the Laws of Armed Conflict are
followed. The use of terrorism, by governments or individuals is *never*
acceptable, under *any* circumstances.

So why do you accept it when its done by America or Israel?

WHEN HAVE ISRAEL OR AMERICA COMMITTED A TERRORIST ACT? This is about the
fourth time I've asked you this now.

There doing it now when they threaten to invade Iran.

How is a threat a terrorist act, if they haven't done anything yet?

Quote:

Oh... and you didn't answer this:

Israel and the United States have set out to target and kill
civilians?
When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?

I did. They dont actually target civilians

Then it is not terrorism, you nit wit.

Not according to wikipedia.

BWHAHAHAHAHAAA!

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

In article <487c4add$0$29827$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22e5f0e498a0db519898d2@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <vlpn74tdmbd1t27gf85fubeiuisgvr59jn@4ax.com>,
seongf@gmail.com says...

Seon, Israel has war games, ALL THE TIME. SO DO WE, SO DO MOST
COUNTRIES, if not all. That's what militaries do when they aren't
fighting. What about this don't you (and the usual 911 kooktards)
understand?

Come on its intimidation just like when Iran fired those test missles.
It was to say "if you assholes step one foot in Iran we will be able
to defend ourselves" and they have every right.

Sigh..Some of it is, but that doesn't change the fact that they have
them all the time.

Its all just a show of might. Its like a grown up version of a pissing
contest.

No, it's not. How the hell do you expect a military to fight a war if
you don't PRACTICE IT??

Ah ha so your saying there is going to be a war.

Quote:

Kristol is a right wing kooktard, he's as batshit crazy as the
leftwing
911 kooktards.

But the right wing kooktard's involved in the kook doccuments he has
written are in the Bush administration.

Whoopie.

How will paying higher oil prices be a good thing? Do you realise
how
expensive they are right now?

Because it forces research into alternative energy, and funding mass
transport.

Do you really think the oil companies will allow this? when they start
losing money they will invest in alternative energies and instead of
wars based on oil it will be wars based on whatever alternative energy
they invest in. It never end's.

They will be involved, money is money.

So whats the point of investing in alternative energy anyway?

So when oil gets scarce, we have other means. Who cares what company
makes it happen? Do you think there is something special about oil
companies?

Yeah there rich and they fund the elections. If they move onto other sources

of energy they will just use those as excuses to start wars.

Quote:

Also yes, many Muslim countries hate Israel. But in there eyes
Israel
are
the aggressors. In there eye's it was the Zionists who invaded
Palestine and
took over.

As we used to say, "Tough Titty".

And before they "took over" none of these other countries gave a shit
about the poor poor Palestinians.

Exactly. I wouldnt have if the Brittish hadnt put there noses in where
they dont belong.

It was the UN that put Israel into existence.

Good point but the british left didnt they?

HUH??

Of course I dont blaim Zionisim. I blaime typical Brittish
arrogance.

Of course you do...

The British were the one's whos igned the balfour decleration. They
were the one's who carved up Palastine.

Yawn. Israel isn't going anywhere. As long as the Muslims insist on
using it as a bogeyman to keep a lid on their own problems, they won't
be going anywhere either. And when/if the oil runs out, or a substitute
source of energy is found that whacks the price of oil down, they will
be up a shit creek. They can't feed themselves, for the most part. I
won't see it (When oil loses some of it's importance), but maybe you
will.

I never said Israel was going anywhere.

I didn't say you did. I was referring to the Muslims and their jew
hating, used as a cover up to keep regimes in power. If they didn't have
the jews to whine about and blame for all their woes, some of them would
probably have a revolt on their hands pretty soon. Just like the jew
hating kooks on usenet, if they didn't have the jews to blame for their
failed lives, they would maybe have to look closer at themselves as the
causes of their failures.

--

Well they hate the Jews so they need to demonise the people they hate to

justafy there hatred. The Jews arent the source of evil in this world. Greed
and curuption is.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

BDK wrote:

Quote:

In article <487c4a30$0$29809$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...
"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
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In article <l90o7413a2gq138r5vmce0b3dsj2t57pgg@4ax.com>,
seongf@gmail.com says...
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:17:15 -0400, BikeFan
mistontheloch!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

So you suggest Britain should take it back and hand it over to the
Palestinians? Should take about a week, if they really wanted to. Would
certainly get the Knesset off the hook....
No the Zionists control Israel now but back then they thought they
rulled the world just like America does now. Israel has every right to
exist just like any other country I'm just trying to show people the
Arab's point of view in all this. They arent just "evil people" who
hate and persecute the Jews for no reason. They should forgive the
Jews yes but they have a reason.
I do however think israel should hand over the terrorirty it stole but
maybe when the Arab's stop targeting innocent civilians like they did
when the gaza strip was handed to them. The last thing we need is more
terrorisim but i'm digressing big time now.

What part do you consider "stolen"?

All land stolen after Israel was established by the UN. Oh and the UN agrees
with me on this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

The Arabs attacked (Or were about to), so boo-hoo, they lost, and Israel
can keep it for all I care. I couldn't care less what the UN says.

South Africa felt the same way and look how that ended. You Zionists are

repeating Apartheid history.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

In article <487c4a30$0$29809$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
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In article <l90o7413a2gq138r5vmce0b3dsj2t57pgg@4ax.com>,
seongf@gmail.com says...
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:17:15 -0400, BikeFan
mistontheloch!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

So you suggest Britain should take it back and hand it over to the
Palestinians? Should take about a week, if they really wanted to.
Would
certainly get the Knesset off the hook....

No the Zionists control Israel now but back then they thought they
rulled the world just like America does now. Israel has every right to
exist just like any other country I'm just trying to show people the
Arab's point of view in all this. They arent just "evil people" who
hate and persecute the Jews for no reason. They should forgive the
Jews yes but they have a reason.
I do however think israel should hand over the terrorirty it stole but
maybe when the Arab's stop targeting innocent civilians like they did
when the gaza strip was handed to them. The last thing we need is more
terrorisim but i'm digressing big time now.

What part do you consider "stolen"?

All land stolen after Israel was established by the UN. Oh and the UN
agrees
with me on this one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

The Arabs attacked (Or were about to), so boo-hoo, they lost, and Israel
can keep it for all I care. I couldn't care less what the UN says.

Well neather does Bush so your in good company.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

Fevric J Glandules wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:32:57 +0100, The Todal wrote:

chap to help us contain the Soviet Union. America, of course, had very
little reason to get involved at all and would probably never have done
so if the attack on Pearl Harbor (which America more or less invited)
hadn't happened.

The US was busy sending vast amounts of stuff over in convoys; those
convoys were escorted by US Navy ships, which had orders to attack German
U-boats on sight.

Of course, because if they hadn't delivered they wouldn't have got paid
for it.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

BDK wrote:

Quote:

repeating Apartheid history.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:13:57 +1000, Seon Ferguson <seongf@gmail.com
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:15:48 +0200, Government Shill #2
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:17:19 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
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"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:01 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6du1avF4b1i1U1@mid.individual.net...
Seon Ferguson wrote:
"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene.@hotmail.com.invalid> schrieb
im
Newsbeitrag
news:84ni74tjchja9vl1i6f1u3i284f3di0pi6@4ax.com...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/52255/Iran-ready-to-hit-UK

IRAN is poised to launch terror attacks in Britain if the
West
presses ahead with military strikes against its nuclear
facilities,
intelligence experts warned last night.

how dare Iran think they can defend themselves. they should
just
bow
before Israel and America and let them bomb them. How dare
they
fight
back.

Indeed! I quite agree! SUCH a pain in the arse!

Yeah imagine that someone actually defending themselves against
foreign
invaders what nerve.

So Seon, condoning the deliberate murder of women and children
now?

Man! Was I wrong about you. The past 2 days you've shown
yourself
to
be
both a racist and a supporter of terrorism. Ya think ya know
someone...

I guess you think iran has the right to defend its self as well.

Yeah. Sure. Not with terrorism. Terrorism is never justified.

Then why are you saying it's justified?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
"Terrorism is "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion."
You are right it never is.

honestly some people, dont you know we arent allowed to defend
ourselves
against
israel?

There are ways people can defend themselves against other people.
Terrorist
attacks, murder of innocent women and children, is not one of
them.

Try telling that to israel and America.

Israel and the United States have set out to target and kill
civilians?
When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?

we should lick there boots. Just like the rainbow children should
lick the boots of the police.

Their.

WTF are you ranting about now? Rainbow Children?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3131

How dare people think they have rights. Shame on them!

No one has the *right* to target civilians. Anytime. Anywhere.

No one has a right to bomb another country that doesnt even have a
nuclear
program and never attacked any other country (appart from selling
weapons
to
America's enemies)

Under certain circumstances they do. There are laws covering this
very
thing. They are called the Laws of Armed Conflict. You have been
shown
them
on several occasions.

It doesnt justafy invading Iran. Maybe in your eyes it does but if
America
ever invades Iran it will be because Bush finally gave into the Israel
lobby.

You're not real good a reading comprehension, are you?

No. It doesn't *justify* invading Iran. It was not meant to. Where did
you
read that it does?

What it does justify is the use of armed force under the right
circumstances. That was the point in discussion. Governments (Israel
and
the US for example) can use armed force if the Laws of Armed Conflict
are
followed. The use of terrorism, by governments or individuals is
*never*
acceptable, under *any* circumstances.

So why do you accept it when its done by America or Israel?

WHEN HAVE ISRAEL OR AMERICA COMMITTED A TERRORIST ACT? This is about the
fourth time I've asked you this now.

There doing it now when they threaten to invade Iran.

How is a threat a terrorist act, if they haven't done anything yet?

How is a death threat wrong if no one has actually killed anyone?

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:05:11 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:12:20 +1000, Seon Ferguson <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:10:20 +0200, Government Shill #2
gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:34 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:66uj74hdppopi5agsu6lbkq3fi858m7kbg@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:01 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tfmj7414bpijlrbsh6ks4gn11mc71pqqlt@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6du1avF4b1i1U1@mid.individual.net...
Seon Ferguson wrote:
"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene.@hotmail.com.invalid> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:84ni74tjchja9vl1i6f1u3i284f3di0pi6@4ax.com...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/52255/Iran-ready-to-hit-UK

IRAN is poised to launch terror attacks in Britain if the West
presses ahead with military strikes against its nuclear
facilities,
intelligence experts warned last night.

how dare Iran think they can defend themselves. they should just
bow
before Israel and America and let them bomb them. How dare they
fight
back.

Indeed! I quite agree! SUCH a pain in the arse!

Yeah imagine that someone actually defending themselves against
foreign
invaders what nerve.

So Seon, condoning the deliberate murder of women and children now?

Man! Was I wrong about you. The past 2 days you've shown yourself to
be
both a racist and a supporter of terrorism. Ya think ya know
someone...

I guess you think iran has the right to defend its self as well.

Yeah. Sure. Not with terrorism. Terrorism is never justified.

Then why are you saying it's justified?

Didnt you get the memo? its not terrorisim or torture when its being
commited by America or Israel. Its only torture or terrorisim when the
enemy does it.

When has the USA committed a terrorist act? When? Where? How?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
"Terrorism is "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion."
You are right it never is.

honestly some people, dont you know we arent allowed to defend
ourselves
against
israel?

There are ways people can defend themselves against other people.
Terrorist
attacks, murder of innocent women and children, is not one of them.

Try telling that to israel and America.

Israel and the United States have set out to target and kill civilians?
When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?

They are threatening to use force to get Iran to comply with there
demands.

Threats are *not* acts of terrorism. Jeezus! And the fucking word is
*their*.

Of course it will take 6 years for Iran to build a nuclear
program and Israel has tones of nukes but lets not be distracted by
facts.

The question was "Israel and the United States have set out to target and
kill civilians? When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?"

And now you are ranting about Israel's weapons? Answer the fucking
question!

we should lick there boots. Just like the rainbow children should
lick the boots of the police.

Their.

WTF are you ranting about now? Rainbow Children?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3131

How dare people think they have rights. Shame on them!

No one has the *right* to target civilians. Anytime. Anywhere.

No one has a right to bomb another country that doesnt even have a
nuclear
program and never attacked any other country (appart from selling
weapons to
America's enemies)

Under certain circumstances they do. There are laws covering this very
thing. They are called the Laws of Armed Conflict. You have been shown
them
on several occasions.

I dont care about laws of armed conflicts. the only just wars in my
eyes are when your country is being threatened or has been attacked
(like afganastan after 911)

The point, Pin Head, is that the forms of aggression used by the USA,
Israel and others are *legal*. Terrorism is not. You, at the start of this
thread, advocated the use of terrorism, the act of *targeting* women and
children for maiming or death, as a means that Iran should use to defend
itself. You are advocating murder.

Arent you sick of the politicans lying to you? I know deep down you
must know something is going wrong. All they do is lie to us and scare
us into believing there bullshit and frankly I am sick of it.

I gave up worrying about lying politicians about 20 years ago. They
bluster, they blurt, they line their pockets and they are gone... For the
man in the street nothing changes from year to year.

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. ... I
think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm
liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's
insane about it."
-John Lennon

Ok. So? Change it. Run for office. Start your own party. Stop whining on
usenet about how terrible things are. And stop advocating the murder of
civilians.

People who support the invasion of Iran do it every time they voice there
decision. All Iran is doing is saying if you invade us we will defend our
selves and they have every right to.

Not by *targeting* innocent women and children they don't. They have
absolutely no right to do this whatsoever. This is the point I've been
trying to drive into your pointy little head. They have the right to defend
themselves whilst following the law. Terrorist attacks are immoral and
illegal. Acts of war are just immoral.

Quote:

I would run for office but nothing Australian politicans do can affect what
America or Israel wants to do. All we can do is affect the PM's decision to
not be involved in another unjust war. And you can argue how legal the war
is all you want but that doesnt make it right. I'm sick of being lied to and
I'm not believing the propaganda BS ever again.

And I am sick of trying to make you understand that illegal acts are
illegal whatever the "justification".

Quote:

I may have been fooled with
iraq but I wont be fooled next time.

You are a fool. You can be fooled by your own shadow.

Shill #2
--
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violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:01:07 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ihco7496ah365b1cllqsq06go7k6r5k6ej@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:13:57 +1000, Seon Ferguson <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:15:48 +0200, Government Shill #2
gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:17:19 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:qnnl74llfrr8agq26cc1ks8fdhkqatt2kq@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:34 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:66uj74hdppopi5agsu6lbkq3fi858m7kbg@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:01 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tfmj7414bpijlrbsh6ks4gn11mc71pqqlt@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6du1avF4b1i1U1@mid.individual.net...
Seon Ferguson wrote:
"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene.@hotmail.com.invalid> schrieb
im
Newsbeitrag news:84ni74tjchja9vl1i6f1u3i284f3di0pi6@4ax.com...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/52255/Iran-ready-to-hit-UK

IRAN is poised to launch terror attacks in Britain if the
West
presses ahead with military strikes against its nuclear
facilities,
intelligence experts warned last night.

how dare Iran think they can defend themselves. they should
just
bow
before Israel and America and let them bomb them. How dare they
fight
back.

Indeed! I quite agree! SUCH a pain in the arse!

Yeah imagine that someone actually defending themselves against
foreign
invaders what nerve.

So Seon, condoning the deliberate murder of women and children
now?

Man! Was I wrong about you. The past 2 days you've shown yourself
to
be
both a racist and a supporter of terrorism. Ya think ya know
someone...

I guess you think iran has the right to defend its self as well.

Yeah. Sure. Not with terrorism. Terrorism is never justified.

Then why are you saying it's justified?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
"Terrorism is "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion."
You are right it never is.

honestly some people, dont you know we arent allowed to defend
ourselves
against
israel?

There are ways people can defend themselves against other people.
Terrorist
attacks, murder of innocent women and children, is not one of them.

Try telling that to israel and America.

Israel and the United States have set out to target and kill
civilians?
When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?

we should lick there boots. Just like the rainbow children should
lick the boots of the police.

Their.

WTF are you ranting about now? Rainbow Children?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3131

How dare people think they have rights. Shame on them!

No one has the *right* to target civilians. Anytime. Anywhere.

No one has a right to bomb another country that doesnt even have a
nuclear
program and never attacked any other country (appart from selling
weapons
to
America's enemies)

Under certain circumstances they do. There are laws covering this very
thing. They are called the Laws of Armed Conflict. You have been shown
them
on several occasions.

It doesnt justafy invading Iran. Maybe in your eyes it does but if
America
ever invades Iran it will be because Bush finally gave into the Israel
lobby.

You're not real good a reading comprehension, are you?

No. It doesn't *justify* invading Iran. It was not meant to. Where did
you
read that it does?

What it does justify is the use of armed force under the right
circumstances. That was the point in discussion. Governments (Israel and
the US for example) can use armed force if the Laws of Armed Conflict are
followed. The use of terrorism, by governments or individuals is *never*
acceptable, under *any* circumstances.

So why do you accept it when its done by America or Israel?

WHEN HAVE ISRAEL OR AMERICA COMMITTED A TERRORIST ACT? This is about the
fourth time I've asked you this now.

There doing it now when they threaten to invade Iran.

THREATS are not terrorism moron. Blowing up people in a night club is
terrorism. Killing commuters going to work on their morning train is
terrorism. Shooting children in there school hall is terrorism. Are you
seeing a pattern emerging here?

Quote:

Wikipedia says that? Show me.

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--
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:12:19 -0400, BDK <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com>
wrote:

Quote:

In article <487c4b35$0$29806$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:13:57 +1000, Seon Ferguson <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:15:48 +0200, Government Shill #2
gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:17:19 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:qnnl74llfrr8agq26cc1ks8fdhkqatt2kq@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:13:34 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:66uj74hdppopi5agsu6lbkq3fi858m7kbg@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:20:01 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Government Shill #2" <gov.shill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:tfmj7414bpijlrbsh6ks4gn11mc71pqqlt@4ax.com...
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:26:14 +1000, "Seon Ferguson"
seongf@gmail.com
wrote:

"Hal Ó Mearadhaigh." <homestud@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6du1avF4b1i1U1@mid.individual.net...
Seon Ferguson wrote:
"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene.@hotmail.com.invalid> schrieb
im
Newsbeitrag news:84ni74tjchja9vl1i6f1u3i284f3di0pi6@4ax.com...
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/52255/Iran-ready-to-hit-UK

IRAN is poised to launch terror attacks in Britain if the
West
presses ahead with military strikes against its nuclear
facilities,
intelligence experts warned last night.

how dare Iran think they can defend themselves. they should
just
bow
before Israel and America and let them bomb them. How dare they
fight
back.

Indeed! I quite agree! SUCH a pain in the arse!

Yeah imagine that someone actually defending themselves against
foreign
invaders what nerve.

So Seon, condoning the deliberate murder of women and children
now?

Man! Was I wrong about you. The past 2 days you've shown yourself
to
be
both a racist and a supporter of terrorism. Ya think ya know
someone...

I guess you think iran has the right to defend its self as well.

Yeah. Sure. Not with terrorism. Terrorism is never justified.

Then why are you saying it's justified?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
"Terrorism is "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of
coercion."
You are right it never is.

honestly some people, dont you know we arent allowed to defend
ourselves
against
israel?

There are ways people can defend themselves against other people.
Terrorist
attacks, murder of innocent women and children, is not one of them.

Try telling that to israel and America.

Israel and the United States have set out to target and kill
civilians?
When? Where? Have you presented this evidence to a court?

we should lick there boots. Just like the rainbow children should
lick the boots of the police.

Their.

WTF are you ranting about now? Rainbow Children?

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3131

How dare people think they have rights. Shame on them!

No one has the *right* to target civilians. Anytime. Anywhere.

No one has a right to bomb another country that doesnt even have a
nuclear
program and never attacked any other country (appart from selling
weapons
to
America's enemies)

Under certain circumstances they do. There are laws covering this very
thing. They are called the Laws of Armed Conflict. You have been shown
them
on several occasions.

It doesnt justafy invading Iran. Maybe in your eyes it does but if
America
ever invades Iran it will be because Bush finally gave into the Israel
lobby.

You're not real good a reading comprehension, are you?

No. It doesn't *justify* invading Iran. It was not meant to. Where did
you
read that it does?

What it does justify is the use of armed force under the right
circumstances. That was the point in discussion. Governments (Israel and
the US for example) can use armed force if the Laws of Armed Conflict are
followed. The use of terrorism, by governments or individuals is *never*
acceptable, under *any* circumstances.

So why do you accept it when its done by America or Israel?

WHEN HAVE ISRAEL OR AMERICA COMMITTED A TERRORIST ACT? This is about the
fourth time I've asked you this now.

There doing it now when they threaten to invade Iran.

How is a threat a terrorist act, if they haven't done anything yet?

How can Seon be this dumb?

Quote:

If it wasn't so frustrating I would be laughing too. How the hell can he
not get this?

Shill #2
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: IRAN Ready To Hit UK

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:33:04 +1000, "Seon Ferguson" <seongf@gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22e625ab3a51b1b59898dc@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <487c4add$0$29827$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, seongf@gmail.com says...

"BDK" <Shillkill@silentexplosions.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22e5f0e498a0db519898d2@news.buckeye-express.com...
In article <vlpn74tdmbd1t27gf85fubeiuisgvr59jn@4ax.com>,
seongf@gmail.com says...

Seon, Israel has war games, ALL THE TIME. SO DO WE, SO DO MOST
COUNTRIES, if not all. That's what militaries do when they aren't
fighting. What about this don't you (and the usual 911 kooktards)
understand?

Come on its intimidation just like when Iran fired those test missles.
It was to say "if you assholes step one foot in Iran we will be able
to defend ourselves" and they have every right.

Sigh..Some of it is, but that doesn't change the fact that they have
them all the time.

Its all just a show of might. Its like a grown up version of a pissing
contest.

No, it's not. How the hell do you expect a military to fight a war if
you don't PRACTICE IT??

Ah ha so your saying there is going to be a war.

Of course. There are always wars. Somewhere. If the where no wars there
would be no need for armies and no need for war games. Is this news to you?

The ADF conducts Exercise Pitch Black, a "war game". It has done since the
mid '80s.

http://www.defence.gov.au/pitchblack/
http://www.defence.gov.au/pitchblack06/default.htm

The ADF participates in RIMPAC

http://www.defence.gov.au/rimpac08/index.htm

Do you think this means we are going to war with Hawaii? RIMPAC has been
held 21 times since 1971.

Red Flag. Held in Nevada. Is the RAAF at war with the US?

http://www.raaf.gov.au/exercises/redflag07/

OMG! There's been an exercise in Malaysia and Singapore! We must be about
to invade?

http://www.defence.gov.au/bersamapadu/default.htm

Shill #2
--
Roses are red,
violets are blue,
one of us is a moron,
I think that it's you.

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