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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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me wrote:
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Gordon Ross shows us a
photo of the twin towers taken from across the river, and you can see
the core columns still standing above the cloud of dust after the floors
'pancaked'.
So? It's not like there were some 60 stories of them or so.
No, as a matter of fact, the core columns in the photo still standing |
above the cloud of dust are still nearly as high as the other tower. I
dunno if that was 60, but at least 30 stories.
Which raises two questions. 1- since the core columns no longer had to
support the load, why did they fall? and 2- since they did, what broke
them into 30 foot long pieces? I can see them toppling, but then they'd
go over like flagpoles, hitting the ground but still connected one end
to the other.
It dont make sense. I dont claim to know what does, and await data. |
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Vandar
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Day Brown wrote:
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While lotsa twoofers have theories they want to defend, I'm not one of
them. And the debunkers think they know because they believe the
official 911 report. I'm not one of them either.
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What official report?
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All I've been saying that the data and video I have seen are not
consistent with the official report. I read that Hamilton admits the 911
commission was lied to. I dont see any attempt to determine what those
lies were, or who committed perjury. The fact that nothing has been done
to clarify this reeks of some kind of cover up.
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Who said anything about perjury? |
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Day Brown
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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While lotsa twoofers have theories they want to defend, I'm not one of
them. And the debunkers think they know because they believe the
official 911 report. I'm not one of them either.
All I've been saying that the data and video I have seen are not
consistent with the official report. I read that Hamilton admits the 911
commission was lied to. I dont see any attempt to determine what those
lies were, or who committed perjury. The fact that nothing has been done
to clarify this reeks of some kind of cover up.
Just because I know we've been lied to does not mean I claim to know
what the truth is. Simple logic, which I see here is more commonly met
with ad hominum on the part of the debunkers. |
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Vandar
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Jude Outta Your Mind wrote:
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <487ef5fa$0$2913$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
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me wrote:
Gordon Ross shows us a
photo of the twin towers taken from across the river, and you can see
the core columns still standing above the cloud of dust after the floors
'pancaked'.
So? It's not like there were some 60 stories of them or so.
No, as a matter of fact, the core columns in the photo still standing
above the cloud of dust are still nearly as high as the other tower. I
dunno if that was 60, but at least 30 stories.
Which raises two questions. 1- since the core columns no longer had to
support the load, why did they fall? and 2- since they did, what broke
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Because they weren't strong enough to carry their own weight when the
structure they were part of collapsed.
No structural engineer in the entire world, not one , has demonstrated
that there is anything unusual about the way the core beams collapsed.
Not one.
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Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <487ef4cd$0$2919$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
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While lotsa twoofers have theories they want to defend, I'm not one of
them. And the debunkers think they know because they believe the
official 911 report. I'm not one of them either.
All I've been saying that the data and video I have seen are not
consistent with the official report. I read that Hamilton admits the 911
commission was lied to. I dont see any attempt to determine what those
lies were, or who committed perjury. The fact that nothing has been done
to clarify this reeks of some kind of cover up.
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None of which contradicts the basic story; Islamist hijacked 4
commercial aircraft and crashed them and that caused all the
destruction on 9/11.
No man-made demoliiton is in evidence at WTC.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |
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me
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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On Jul 17, 3:39 am, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
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me wrote:
Gordon Ross shows us a
photo of the twin towers taken from across the river, and you can see
the core columns still standing above the cloud of dust after the floors
'pancaked'.
So? It's not like there were some 60 stories of them or so.
No, as a matter of fact, the core columns in the photo still standing
above the cloud of dust are still nearly as high as the other tower. I
dunno if that was 60, but at least 30 stories.
Which raises two questions. 1- since the core columns no longer had to
support the load, why did they fall?
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I'm not sure which moment to which you refer. A referenced time
frame and photo would help. Once the building started to fall,
both the upper and lower portions started to disinigrate. You can
watch the upper section fail and destruct as it falls into the lower
section. The end result is that there is less and less "coherent
mass" in the sense that it is acting as a unified structure. At
some point, both the upper and lower sections were just a collection
of debris falling independent of each other. At this point, the
result
would be that some substructure isn't going to see alot of
load. However, in order to reach this point, a fair amount of
destruction had to occur to begin with.
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and 2- since they did, what broke
them into 30 foot long pieces? I can see them toppling, but then they'd
go over like flagpoles, hitting the ground but still connected one end
to the other.
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That would be an unusual failure mode. Buckling was the primary
failure mode of the central structure. It was a progressive failure
and
the columns didn't fail "all at once" so to speak so they were going
to fail in sections shorter than their entire length. In order to
fail
"toppling like flagpoles" the vast majority of the column couldn't
fail
at all. It would only fail at predominately a single point. Buckling
isn't
like that and those columns were all interconnected so local failures
of one were going to generate local failures in others. As such the
columns were going to fail at multipe points at multiple times.
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It dont make sense. I dont claim to know what does, and await data.
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It only doesn't make sense to folks who don't understand structural
failure to begin with. The architects and engineers who have
investigated
didn't find anything particularly wrong. (Well, some were surprised
how poorly the fire protection coatings performed on the primary
steel.
Others had predicted such poor performance. Guess we now know
who was right). |
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Iarnrod
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Jude Outta Your Mind wrote:
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The following is a list of people we have identified as probable accessories
before the fact of the 9/11/01 false flag terrorist attacks.
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Could you be so kind as to inform us as to exactly how you were able
to link all these people to the perpetration of the attacks? Please be
specific.
Go:
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Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer III
Heinz Alfred Kissinger
Ronald S. Lauder
Larry Silverstein
Peter S. Lowy
Frank Lowy
Uzi Arad
Benjamin Netanyahu
Ehud Barak
Buzzy Krongard
Mayo Shattuck III
Jerome Hauer
Maurice Sonnenberg
Richard Bruce Cheney
Michael Chertoff
Don Radlauer
Philip Zelikow
John Deutch
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard N. Perle
Douglas Feith
Stephen E. Herbits
Maurice "Hank" Greenberg
Michael G. Cherkasky
Peter G. Peterson
David Rockefeller
Nicholas Rockefeller
Monte R. Belger
Michael S. Goff
Tom Brokaw
Angela Mitchell Greenspan
Ehud "Udi" Mendelson
Jacob (Kobi) Alexander
Theodore B. Olson
Jane Lakes Harman
Urban Moving Systems
The names of the five Israelis arrested on 09/11/01 are:
Sivan Kurzberg (AKA Sylvian Kurcheil),
Paul Kurzberg (AKA Paul Kurcheil),
Yaron Shmuel(AKA Vyron Shmuel),
Oded Ellner and
Omer Marmari.
The men were employees of Urban Moving Systems, which is believed to have
been a Mossad front company, and was owned by an Israeli Citizen named
Dominik Suter, who fled the United States almost immediately. |
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <c6e76153-b6ce-4140-b845-1dfbf0bd04b6@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
me <oconnell@slr.orl.lmco.com> wrote:
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On Jul 17, 3:39=A0am, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
me wrote:
Gordon Ross shows us a
photo of the twin towers taken from across the river, and you can see
the core columns still standing above the cloud of dust after the floo=
rs
'pancaked'.
=A0 So? =A0It's not like there were some 60 stories of them or so. =A0
No, as a matter of fact, the core columns in the photo still standing
above the cloud of dust are still nearly as high as the other tower. I
dunno if that was 60, but at least 30 stories.
Which raises two questions. 1- since the core columns no longer had to
support the load, why did they fall?
I'm not sure which moment to which you refer. A referenced time
frame and photo would help. Once the building started to fall,
both the upper and lower portions started to disinigrate. You can
watch the upper section fail and destruct as it falls into the lower
section. The end result is that there is less and less "coherent
mass" in the sense that it is acting as a unified structure. At
some point, both the upper and lower sections were just a collection
of debris falling independent of each other. At this point, the
result
would be that some substructure isn't going to see alot of
load. However, in order to reach this point, a fair amount of
destruction had to occur to begin with.
and 2- since they did, what broke
them into 30 foot long pieces? I can see them toppling, but then they'd
go over like flagpoles, hitting the ground but still connected one end
to the other.
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"broke into 30 foot long pieces?"
What is you evidence that this was the case as a result of the
collapse?
The beams were cut to fit on trucks. 30ft long is about right. I saw
the steelworkers and saw the trucks haul debris essentially every day
during the cleanup.
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Al Dykes
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Jude Outta Your Mind
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Al Dykes wrote:
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In article <487ef4cd$0$2919$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
While lotsa twoofers have theories they want to defend, I'm not one of
them. And the debunkers think they know because they believe the
official 911 report. I'm not one of them either.
All I've been saying that the data and video I have seen are not
consistent with the official report. I read that Hamilton admits the 911
commission was lied to. I dont see any attempt to determine what those
lies were, or who committed perjury. The fact that nothing has been done
to clarify this reeks of some kind of cover up.
None of which contradicts the basic story; Islamist hijacked 4
commercial aircraft and crashed them and that caused all the
destruction on 9/11.
No man-made demoliiton is in evidence at WTC.
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What part of "delusional idiot fvck" don't you understand?
http://www.revver.com/video/392570/911-the-emperors-clothes/
Updated Wed Apr 23 04:58:44 EDT 2008
The following is a list of people we have identified as probable accessories
before the fact of the 9/11/01 false flag terrorist attacks.
Lewis Paul "Jerry" Bremer III
Heinz Alfred Kissinger
Ronald S. Lauder
Larry Silverstein
Peter S. Lowy
Frank Lowy
Uzi Arad
Benjamin Netanyahu
Ehud Barak
Buzzy Krongard
Mayo Shattuck III
Jerome Hauer
Maurice Sonnenberg
Richard Bruce Cheney
Michael Chertoff
Don Radlauer
Philip Zelikow
John Deutch
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard N. Perle
Douglas Feith
Stephen E. Herbits
Maurice "Hank" Greenberg
Michael G. Cherkasky
Peter G. Peterson
David Rockefeller
Nicholas Rockefeller
Monte R. Belger
Michael S. Goff
Tom Brokaw
Angela Mitchell Greenspan
Ehud "Udi" Mendelson
Jacob (Kobi) Alexander
Theodore B. Olson
Jane Lakes Harman
Urban Moving Systems
The names of the five Israelis arrested on 09/11/01 are:
Sivan Kurzberg (AKA Sylvian Kurcheil),
Paul Kurzberg (AKA Paul Kurcheil),
Yaron Shmuel(AKA Vyron Shmuel),
Oded Ellner and
Omer Marmari.
The men were employees of Urban Moving Systems, which is believed to have
been a Mossad front company, and was owned by an Israeli Citizen named
Dominik Suter, who fled the United States almost immediately.
--
However much I may worship personality-powerful individual personality in
statesmen, inventors, artists, philosophers, or leaders, as well as the
collective personality of a historic group of human beings, which we call a
nation--however much I may worship personality, I do not regret its
disappearance. Whoever can, will, and must perish, let him perish. But the
distinctive nationality of Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed ~
Theodor Herzl, Father of Political Zionism |
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Sam Buckland
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Jude Outta Your Mind wrote:
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Al Dykes wrote:
In article <487ef4cd$0$2919$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
While lotsa twoofers have theories they want to defend, I'm not one of
them. And the debunkers think they know because they believe the
official 911 report. I'm not one of them either.
All I've been saying that the data and video I have seen are not
consistent with the official report. I read that Hamilton admits the 911
commission was lied to. I dont see any attempt to determine what those
lies were, or who committed perjury. The fact that nothing has been done
to clarify this reeks of some kind of cover up.
None of which contradicts the basic story; Islamist hijacked 4
commercial aircraft and crashed them and that caused all the
destruction on 9/11.
No man-made demoliiton is in evidence at WTC.
What part of "delusional idiot fvck" don't you understand?
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I suspect we *all* understand "delusional idiot fvck" quite
well by now, considering you've served as such a SHINING
example of one. |
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