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 Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Day Brown wrote:
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Vandar wrote:
Day Brown wrote:
Al Dykes wrote:
Which has nothing to do with the engineering studies of the collapse
of the WTC towers. These studies may differ on details but all agree
that there is nothing that was caused by anything but the impact of
two jets.
Inasmuch as you havent read or understood the studies on Group Think, or
seen the power of delusion demonstrated in them, how the fuck would you
know?
You just described an aspect of the "truth" movement.
If you'd also read Orwell's "1984", you'd realize he saw it coming.
If you had read "1984", you'd realize it's fiction.
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
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I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
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I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience in
clinical settings Vandar.
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The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
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I know neurosis when I see it. Its really
quite common, approaching a majority of the population and posters. And
yes, some of the neurotics are troofers.
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And all "troofers" are deluded.
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But it is far more telling of any random sample of the 911 postings that
it is the defenders of the official report who are driven to ad hominum
first. Not that anything I have to say to you and Al is persuasive.
But here again, Dr. Freud is clear, neurosis is intractable, and when
you challenge the delusions of a neurotic, he gets angry, not educated.
So, shall we look back in the postings and see how often you guys have
called other posters names, and how often I have? or how I've limited my
comments to the facts we have at hand?
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Please do.
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Where is the NIST report on why WTC 7 collapsed?
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On its way. You can't demand a thorough investigation and then complain
about how long such an investigation takes.
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Gordon Ross shows us a
photo of the twin towers taken from across the river, and you can see
the core columns still standing above the cloud of dust after the floors
'pancaked'.
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The floors didn't pancake.
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I dont claim to know what happened. I dont actually have a
theory. I am awaiting a credible explanation, and have not seen any of
you present one.
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It's not our job to present you with something that has already been
presented to everyone by someone else.
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No, all this will simmer on the back burner until, as Dr. Freud says,
there is some traumatic event to wake up a neurotic. The most likely I
see now is the economic stress from high oil prices. when the dude gets
kicked off the couch cause they foreclosed on his house, he aint
watching TV any more and has time to think instead of being told what to
think. And when he goes into bankruptcy, he suddenly sees lotsa other
things in the system dont add up either.
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Unless he already understands the economy.
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You havent had time to read Machiavelli either, or you'd see how there's
a good chance some populist demagogue'll arise from obscurity promising
the distressed middle class justice by seizing the assets of the rich to
balance the books again. 911 will provide him the excuse, the means to
say they have all been lying all this while. If gas prices and heating
bills are high enuf, and incomes are low enuf, sheeple will buy into it.
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Yeah... okay. |
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Day Brown
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Al Dykes wrote:
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What is the point of this rant on literature? Everyone with expertise
in relevant fields; aviation crash analysis, structural engineering,
DNA, demolition, radar data analysis and many many, more topics , all
agree that 4 aircraft caused all the damage on 9/11.
It is not everyone Al. How many trees does it take to make a forest? I |
could cite the sources I've seen, which you will dismiss as kooks
despite the fact they have ongoing professional careers.
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People that claim otherwise refuse to speak in public with people with
relevant expertise and make thief case for man-made demolition or
whatever.
There are some who dont make that claim Al; all they say, all I say, is |
that the investigation into what went on is flawed and needs review. You
are satisfied with what you think you know, and call anyone a kook who
is not satisfied. Literature is about judgment calls; just who getsta
define what an open mind and a good case is?
Is there some reason I need to go along with your opinion? |
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Day Brown
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Vandar wrote:
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Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla |
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism (ie
typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater claiming
allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible) were based on
works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really understood
everything that was going on. This was not a grand plot of a single mind
like that of Ben Ladin. But its too complicated for you and Al, and many
others to deal with. You want simple answers cause the rest of the world
is too ambiguous the way it is. My sympathies.
But 911 aint over yet. The economic interactions the produced it havent
yet been played out. Oil money is still funding terrorism. Good Muslims
are still turning a blind eye to where the money for their schools comes
from, or how it is being used to create more zealots; good Christians're
still turning a blind eye to the hypocritical corruption of leaders.
I dont expect you guys to be convinced by any of this; I write simply
for the record in case some more rational mind wants to research this
time trying to figure out how the public could be so misled. Course, if
you'd read the studies by Milgram on Obedience, you'd see how easily the
Germans were manipulated by Nazi propaganda and how blindly went along.
Had the US military read the studies by Zimbardo, which were done over
30 years ago, Abu Gharib never would've happened. Had the interrogators
at Gitmo read http://paulekman.com they'd know that waterboarding or any
other kind of torture is obsolete. There are far more reliable methods
based on primate neurological studies to use.
But all that is too complicated for you and Al to deal with. |
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Jude Outta Your Mind
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Day Brown wrote:
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Vandar wrote:
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism (ie
typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater claiming
allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible) were based on
works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
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WTF are you talking about. This goes back to 1897 in Basel, Switzerland
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Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really understood
everything that was going on. This was not a grand plot of a single mind
like that of Ben Ladin. But its too complicated for you and Al, and many
others to deal with. You want simple answers cause the rest of the world
is too ambiguous the way it is. My sympathies.
But 911 aint over yet. The economic interactions the produced it havent
yet been played out. Oil money is still funding terrorism. Good Muslims
are still turning a blind eye to where the money for their schools comes
from, or how it is being used to create more zealots; good Christians're
still turning a blind eye to the hypocritical corruption of leaders.
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UBL was a CIA-connected smack runner. And probably not a terrorist in any
legitimate sense of the word.
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I dont expect you guys to be convinced by any of this; I write simply
for the record in case some more rational mind wants to research this
time trying to figure out how the public could be so misled. Course, if
you'd read the studies by Milgram on Obedience, you'd see how easily the
Germans were manipulated by Nazi propaganda and how blindly went along.
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So what about the Commie-skin lampshades? Anybody have a bar of Jew fat
soap around?
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Had the US military read the studies by Zimbardo, which were done over
30 years ago, Abu Gharib never would've happened. Had the interrogators
at Gitmo read http://paulekman.com they'd know that waterboarding or any
other kind of torture is obsolete. There are far more reliable methods
based on primate neurological studies to use.
But all that is too complicated for you and Al to deal with.
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My bets are on Gitmo being a staging base for drug running.
--
However much I may worship personality-powerful individual personality in
statesmen, inventors, artists, philosophers, or leaders, as well as the
collective personality of a historic group of human beings, which we call a
nation--however much I may worship personality, I do not regret its
disappearance. Whoever can, will, and must perish, let him perish. But the
distinctive nationality of Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed ~
Theodor Herzl, Father of Political Zionism |
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <487baa5e$0$15568$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
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Al Dykes wrote:
What is the point of this rant on literature? Everyone with expertise
in relevant fields; aviation crash analysis, structural engineering,
DNA, demolition, radar data analysis and many many, more topics , all
agree that 4 aircraft caused all the damage on 9/11.
It is not everyone Al. How many trees does it take to make a forest? I
could cite the sources I've seen, which you will dismiss as kooks
despite the fact they have ongoing professional careers.
People that claim otherwise refuse to speak in public with people with
relevant expertise and make thief case for man-made demolition or
whatever.
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There are some who dont make that claim Al; all they say, all I say, is
that the investigation into what went on is flawed and needs review. You
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It is not flawed in any way that shows that anything but 4 commercial
jets hijacked by Arabs caused all the death and destruction on 9/11.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <487bafc6$0$15526$ec3e2dad@unlimited.usenetmonster.com>,
Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org> wrote:
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Vandar wrote:
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism (ie
typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater claiming
allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible) were based on
works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really understood
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There is little that is complicated about the massive evidence that
shows that Arabs hijacked 4 aircraft on 9/11 and those aircraft caused
all the death and destruction.
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |
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Vandar
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Day Brown wrote:
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Vandar wrote:
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism (ie
typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater claiming
allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible) were based on
works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really understood
everything that was going on. This was not a grand plot of a single mind
like that of Ben Ladin. But its too complicated for you and Al, and many
others to deal with. You want simple answers cause the rest of the world
is too ambiguous the way it is. My sympathies.
But 911 aint over yet. The economic interactions the produced it havent
yet been played out. Oil money is still funding terrorism. Good Muslims
are still turning a blind eye to where the money for their schools comes
from, or how it is being used to create more zealots; good Christians're
still turning a blind eye to the hypocritical corruption of leaders.
I dont expect you guys to be convinced by any of this; I write simply
for the record in case some more rational mind wants to research this
time trying to figure out how the public could be so misled. Course, if
you'd read the studies by Milgram on Obedience, you'd see how easily the
Germans were manipulated by Nazi propaganda and how blindly went along.
Had the US military read the studies by Zimbardo, which were done over
30 years ago, Abu Gharib never would've happened. Had the interrogators
at Gitmo read http://paulekman.com they'd know that waterboarding or any
other kind of torture is obsolete. There are far more reliable methods
based on primate neurological studies to use.
But all that is too complicated for you and Al to deal with.
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Not at all. It's just you bloviating about a topic which you obviously
have very little understanding. Your complete lack of understanding
causes you to believe that no one else is capable of understanding it
either. You're wrong, but it's not possible for you to admit and accept
that, so you concoct some half-assed reason that no one else understands
it and declare yourself superior.
Now run along. I hear your two years of psych calling you. |
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BDK
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <VuGdnUss640zZubVnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Theodor-
Herzl@judenstaat.il says...
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Day Brown wrote:
Vandar wrote:
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism (ie
typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater claiming
allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible) were based on
works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
WTF are you talking about. This goes back to 1897 in Basel, Switzerland
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Oh please Mr. Kook, tell us all about it! It's hard to tell who's the
kookier kooktard, you or Day. My money is on you.
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Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really understood
everything that was going on. This was not a grand plot of a single mind
like that of Ben Ladin. But its too complicated for you and Al, and many
others to deal with. You want simple answers cause the rest of the world
is too ambiguous the way it is. My sympathies.
But 911 aint over yet. The economic interactions the produced it havent
yet been played out. Oil money is still funding terrorism. Good Muslims
are still turning a blind eye to where the money for their schools comes
from, or how it is being used to create more zealots; good Christians're
still turning a blind eye to the hypocritical corruption of leaders.
UBL was a CIA-connected smack runner. And probably not a terrorist in any
legitimate sense of the word.
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BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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I dont expect you guys to be convinced by any of this; I write simply
for the record in case some more rational mind wants to research this
time trying to figure out how the public could be so misled. Course, if
you'd read the studies by Milgram on Obedience, you'd see how easily the
Germans were manipulated by Nazi propaganda and how blindly went along.
So what about the Commie-skin lampshades? Anybody have a bar of Jew fat
soap around?
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I think I have some in my pantry. ROTFL
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Had the US military read the studies by Zimbardo, which were done over
30 years ago, Abu Gharib never would've happened. Had the interrogators
at Gitmo read http://paulekman.com they'd know that waterboarding or any
other kind of torture is obsolete. There are far more reliable methods
based on primate neurological studies to use.
But all that is too complicated for you and Al to deal with.
My bets are on Gitmo being a staging base for drug running.
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My bet's on your family shaking their heads a lot after you tell them
all the stuff you do and walk out of the room to surf more of the sacred
kookpages.
Oh, the kooktardery!
--
BDK
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
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me
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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On Jul 13, 4:20 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
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Where is the NIST report on why WTC 7 collapsed?
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Well, there was a report, but it suggested more work needed to be
done. I'm not sure what your questions are though. The only real
problem that the NIST had wrt WTC 7 was deciding which one of
several credible explanations was the "right" one for that building.
The magnitude of damage, the length of the fires, the unique
substructure
and foundation of that building, all made it obvious to the Fire
Department
that it was a gonner from the time they abandoned it. If anything the
designers and the construction crews should be proud that it lasted as
long as it did.
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Gordon Ross shows us a
photo of the twin towers taken from across the river, and you can see
the core columns still standing above the cloud of dust after the floors
'pancaked'.
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So? It's not like there were some 60 stories of them or so. There
was
was 2 stories remaining? By the time the building got down there
it wasn't a single coherent strucuture. That the last few feet of
a column that long didn't buckle isn't all that interesting. Great
stuff
for some masters candidate thesis (more like a senior analysis
project)
but hardly particularly interesting to anyone versed in the subject of
structural collapse.
? I dont claim to know what happened. I dont actually have a
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theory. I am awaiting a credible explanation, and have not seen any of
you present one.
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Many have been presented. The problem is deciding which one
is best. I tend to apply Occum's razor in sorting them out. Most of
them are fairly similar. Dynamic amplification of a falling mass is
huge.
Once those upper floors started to move, nothing was going to stop it,
nor really slow them down much. |
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Iarnrod
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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On Jul 15, 10:21 am, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
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Al Dykes wrote:
It is not flawed in any way that shows that anything but 4 commercial
jets hijacked by Arabs caused all the death and destruction on 9/11.
I've read that if a moron told you the same thing every day for a
year, you'd come to believe him. Keep trying Al. The year aint over yet.
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Don't worry. You can repeat your physically impossible debunked
theories all year, Al won't succumb to kookerisms. You are trapped in
kooker group-think. |
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george
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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On Jul 16, 5:14 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Jul 15, 10:21 am, Day Brown <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote:
Al Dykes wrote:
It is not flawed in any way that shows that anything but 4 commercial
jets hijacked by Arabs caused all the death and destruction on 9/11.
I've read that if a moron told you the same thing every day for a
year, you'd come to believe him. Keep trying Al. The year aint over yet.
Don't worry. You can repeat your physically impossible debunked
theories all year, Al won't succumb to kookerisms. You are trapped in
kooker group-think.
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Shouldn't that be kooker group-thick ? |
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Day Brown
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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Al Dykes wrote:
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It is not flawed in any way that shows that anything but 4 commercial
jets hijacked by Arabs caused all the death and destruction on 9/11.
I've read that if a moron told you the same thing every day for a |
year, you'd come to believe him. Keep trying Al. The year aint over yet. |
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Government Shill #2
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:21:28 -0500, Day Brown <daybrown@daybrown.org>
wrote:
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Al Dykes wrote:
It is not flawed in any way that shows that anything but 4 commercial
jets hijacked by Arabs caused all the death and destruction on 9/11.
I've read that if a moron told you the same thing every day for a
year, you'd come to believe him. Keep trying Al. The year aint over yet.
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One day you might show us some actual evidence for your Beliefs.
Falsifiable evidence. One day.
Shill #2
--
I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and
reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no
matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and
more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the
evidence will have to be.
Isaac Asimov - The Roving Mind (1983) |
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Jude Outta Your Mind
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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BDK wrote:
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In article <VuGdnUss640zZubVnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Theodor-
Herzl@judenstaat.il says...
Day Brown wrote:
Vandar wrote:
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism
(ie typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater
claiming allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible)
were based on works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
WTF are you talking about. This goes back to 1897 in Basel, Switzerland
Oh please Mr. Kook, tell us all about it! It's hard to tell who's the
kookier kooktard, you or Day. My money is on you.
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Well Day was running around for years claiming that the native religion of
the European people was the Great Uma Guma or something like that. Now
it's One Eyed Óðinn Love Bone.
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Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really
understood everything that was going on. This was not a grand plot of a
single mind like that of Ben Ladin. But its too complicated for you and
Al, and many others to deal with. You want simple answers cause the
rest of the world is too ambiguous the way it is. My sympathies.
But 911 aint over yet. The economic interactions the produced it havent
yet been played out. Oil money is still funding terrorism. Good Muslims
are still turning a blind eye to where the money for their schools
comes from, or how it is being used to create more zealots; good
Christians're still turning a blind eye to the hypocritical corruption
of leaders.
UBL was a CIA-connected smack runner. And probably not a terrorist in any
legitimate sense of the word.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Glad you concur.
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I dont expect you guys to be convinced by any of this; I write simply
for the record in case some more rational mind wants to research this
time trying to figure out how the public could be so misled. Course, if
you'd read the studies by Milgram on Obedience, you'd see how easily
the Germans were manipulated by Nazi propaganda and how blindly went
along.
So what about the Commie-skin lampshades? Anybody have a bar of Jew fat
soap around?
I think I have some in my pantry. ROTFL
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You could probably get a bundle for that at Dalck Feith's little shop of
horrors - AKA the NHMM.
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Had the US military read the studies by Zimbardo, which were done over
30 years ago, Abu Gharib never would've happened. Had the interrogators
at Gitmo read http://paulekman.com they'd know that waterboarding or
any other kind of torture is obsolete. There are far more reliable
methods based on primate neurological studies to use.
But all that is too complicated for you and Al to deal with.
My bets are on Gitmo being a staging base for drug running.
My bet's on your family shaking their heads a lot after you tell them
all the stuff you do and walk out of the room to surf more of the sacred
kookpages.
Oh, the kooktardery!
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N987SA
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However much I may worship personality-powerful individual personality in
statesmen, inventors, artists, philosophers, or leaders, as well as the
collective personality of a historic group of human beings, which we call a
nation--however much I may worship personality, I do not regret its
disappearance. Whoever can, will, and must perish, let him perish. But the
distinctive nationality of Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed ~
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Letter to Congress |
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In article <QKednalmnKNrNePVnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Theodor-
Herzl@judenstaat.il says...
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BDK wrote:
In article <VuGdnUss640zZubVnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@speakeasy.net>, Theodor-
Herzl@judenstaat.il says...
Day Brown wrote:
Vandar wrote:
Shakespeare is fiction to. You either get it, or you dont. You dont.
I get that it's fiction. "Getting it" doesn't mean interpreting it as
anything but what it is.
I frankly dont mind. I'm the one with the psych degree and experience
in clinical settings Vandar.
The former I doubt. The latter I do not.
Freshman & sophomore years at the U of Minn. Graduated the U of So Fla
in Tampa, 1971 with a minor in comp sci and extra work in statistics so
as to provide a better analysis of the psych experimental results.
Nietzsche, "The Genealogy of Theater" said that whereas Dionysianism
(ie typical Native European religion) was based on works of theater
claiming allegorical truth, the Levantine scriptures (ie the Bible)
were based on works of literature claiming literal truth.
The neurotic mind can only deal with what it accepts as literal truth;
the ambiguity of allegorical truth is not tolerated. Thus, in the case
of 911, the official report is simple. 19 terrorists, 4 planes. end of
problem. The allegorical less of 911 has to do with the conflict going
back hundreds of years, with the monumental icon of the towers, and the
political necessity to motivate the American people to confront the
challenges by expansionist Islam and the oil money behind that.
WTF are you talking about. This goes back to 1897 in Basel, Switzerland
Oh please Mr. Kook, tell us all about it! It's hard to tell who's the
kookier kooktard, you or Day. My money is on you.
Well Day was running around for years claiming that the native religion of
the European people was the Great Uma Guma or something like that. Now
it's One Eyed Óðinn Love Bone.
|
Well, it looks like Day takes the lead, for now...but I'm sure you'll
make a comeback.
| Quote: |
Whatever the "truth" about 911 is, it is terribly complicated and none
of those involved in setting it up, or reacting to it, really
understood everything that was going on. This was not a grand plot of a
single mind like that of Ben Ladin. But its too complicated for you and
Al, and many others to deal with. You want simple answers cause the
rest of the world is too ambiguous the way it is. My sympathies.
But 911 aint over yet. The economic interactions the produced it havent
yet been played out. Oil money is still funding terrorism. Good Muslims
are still turning a blind eye to where the money for their schools
comes from, or how it is being used to create more zealots; good
Christians're still turning a blind eye to the hypocritical corruption
of leaders.
UBL was a CIA-connected smack runner. And probably not a terrorist in any
legitimate sense of the word.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Glad you concur.
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I'm glad you think I do...since I don't.
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I dont expect you guys to be convinced by any of this; I write simply
for the record in case some more rational mind wants to research this
time trying to figure out how the public could be so misled. Course, if
you'd read the studies by Milgram on Obedience, you'd see how easily
the Germans were manipulated by Nazi propaganda and how blindly went
along.
So what about the Commie-skin lampshades? Anybody have a bar of Jew fat
soap around?
I think I have some in my pantry. ROTFL
You could probably get a bundle for that at Dalck Feith's little shop of
horrors - AKA the NHMM.
|
Please explain the kookish terms. I don't speak kookinese.
| Quote: |
Had the US military read the studies by Zimbardo, which were done over
30 years ago, Abu Gharib never would've happened. Had the interrogators
at Gitmo read http://paulekman.com they'd know that waterboarding or
any other kind of torture is obsolete. There are far more reliable
methods based on primate neurological studies to use.
But all that is too complicated for you and Al to deal with.
My bets are on Gitmo being a staging base for drug running.
My bet's on your family shaking their heads a lot after you tell them
all the stuff you do and walk out of the room to surf more of the sacred
kookpages.
Oh, the kooktardery!
N987SA
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Jeezus! Another kookpage? Don't you understand, the kookpages are what
fucked you up in the first place?
--
BDK
kOOk Magnet!
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