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Saddam Hussein put both Christians and Jews under his personal
protection in Iraq.
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Yes, 6' under ground.
No he did not.
Iraq was a becoming more and more cosmopolitan by the day,
until the Jewnited States decided to nix it.
Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same freedoms as women
in any western nation do.
Other than the right to participate in fair and free elections,
the right of free speech, and the right of assembly.
Just like any other Iraqi living under Saddam.
Yes, but you said "Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same
freedoms as women in any western nation do.", not "Women in Iraq
were just as oppressed as men in Iraq".
And just *where* did I say anything of the sort?
Sorry, it was Cramer.
Are you abusing a substance?
Do you agree your statement above is obviously completely wrong?
Iraqi women did NOT have the same freedoms as "women in any
Western nation"?
So you agree Cramer is obviously completely wrong? Iraqi women did
NOT have the same freedoms as "women in any Western nation"?
Nice try Peter, but sorry, no cigar.
I have not been involved in discussions about Iraq and have no
intention of being dragged into one by yourself.
OK, if you don't want to defend Cramer's idiot remark, I can see why.
Again, you're inventing things. What I said quite plainly was that I
don't care to discuss Iraq.
LOL
And yet you had no problem claiming in ANOTHER POST TO ME, that Iraq,
like Vietnam (according to you) were BOTH military disasters.
Don't recall it, but I'd agree that this is a valid statement. I didn't |
say that Iraq didn't exist, just that I have nothing I care to discuss
about the place.
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Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same freedoms as women in any
western nation do.
Other than the right to participate in fair and free elections, the
right of free speech, and the right of assembly.
Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free press?
Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam himself were
allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same freedoms as women in
any
western nation do.
Other than the right to participate in fair and free elections, the
right of free speech, and the right of assembly.
Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free press?
Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam himself were
allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
Not exclusive to women though is it, you fuckwit?
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No, but so what?
The claim was not that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedom as Iraqi men; the
claim was that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedoms as women in "any Western
nation".
Nowhere in the quote mentions Iraqi women's freedoms relative to Iraqi men;
it is explicitly about women in Iraq versus women in "any Western nation".
Do you believe that women in Iraq under Saddam enjoyed the same freedoms as
"women in any Western nation" ?
If so, what about (for example) the right to participate in free and fair
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Peter Webb wrote:
Twenty five thousand Jews live in Iran. When they were offered 60
thousand dollars per family to go to Israel they responded: "We have
been in Persia since before Mohammed was born. This is our country
and we have no intention of leaving."
Thew reason that $60,000 is required is that Iran requires this
payment from Jews (but nobody else) to leave Iran. They are being
held hostage.
A lie. Jews from Iran can travel to Israel any time they want. In fact
many of them do, since most of them have relatives in Israel.
Not as family groups, in case they abscond without paying.
Even though in Iran there is a member of parliament for every 150
thousand people, Jews who number less are allowed to elect one
member of parliament among themselves.
Well, no. There member of Parliament cannot actually vote; they are
only allowed to watch. This single Jew in Iran has exactly the same
the same Parliamentary priveleges as every single Australian enjoys -
to watch Parliament.
Cite? In any case, under a regimen like the one in Iran, parliament is
not where things are decided.
Ohh. So how many Jews are their in the body that does make the
decision?
As I said below, in the original post, I am not a big fan of the
Iranian system. My point is that, regarding most points, Jews in Iran
are way, way better, than Palestinians in Israel.
How? Name one way.
Muslims can and do get the vote in Israel
No they do not. Most Arabs in Jerusalem were not permitted to vote in
the last elections.
You are a stupid person and a liar.
and have many seats in the Knesset.
No. Not many. There only are 12 right now and only one minister and one
speaker.
And that *one* minister is the *only* Arab minister in the history of the
Knesset.
Yes it is.
I think, from memory, there have only been about 50 or 60 Arabs EVER to
have sat in the Knesset.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same freedoms as women in
any
western nation do.
Other than the right to participate in fair and free elections, the
right of free speech, and the right of assembly.
Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free press?
Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam himself were
allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking
clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
Not exclusive to women though is it, you fuckwit?
No, but so what?
The claim was not that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedom as Iraqi men;
the claim was that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedoms as women in "any
Western nation".
Nowhere in the quote mentions Iraqi women's freedoms relative to Iraqi
men; it is explicitly about women in Iraq versus women in "any Western
nation".
Do you believe that women in Iraq under Saddam enjoyed the same freedoms
as "women in any Western nation" ?
If so, what about (for example) the right to participate in free and fair
elections?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Peter Webb wrote:
Twenty five thousand Jews live in Iran. When they were offered 60
thousand dollars per family to go to Israel they responded: "We
have been in Persia since before Mohammed was born. This is our
country and we have no intention of leaving."
Thew reason that $60,000 is required is that Iran requires this
payment from Jews (but nobody else) to leave Iran. They are being
held hostage.
A lie. Jews from Iran can travel to Israel any time they want. In
fact many of them do, since most of them have relatives in Israel.
Not as family groups, in case they abscond without paying.
Even though in Iran there is a member of parliament for every 150
thousand people, Jews who number less are allowed to elect one
member of parliament among themselves.
Well, no. There member of Parliament cannot actually vote; they are
only allowed to watch. This single Jew in Iran has exactly the same
the same Parliamentary priveleges as every single Australian
enjoys - to watch Parliament.
Cite? In any case, under a regimen like the one in Iran, parliament
is not where things are decided.
Ohh. So how many Jews are their in the body that does make the
decision?
As I said below, in the original post, I am not a big fan of the
Iranian system. My point is that, regarding most points, Jews in Iran
are way, way better, than Palestinians in Israel.
How? Name one way.
Muslims can and do get the vote in Israel
No they do not. Most Arabs in Jerusalem were not permitted to vote in
the last elections.
You are a stupid person and a liar.
and have many seats in the Knesset.
No. Not many. There only are 12 right now and only one minister and one
speaker.
And that *one* minister is the *only* Arab minister in the history of
the Knesset.
Yes it is.
I think, from memory, there have only been about 50 or 60 Arabs EVER to
have sat in the Knesset.
And how many Jews have ever had voting rights in the Iranian Parliament?
Is it more or less than 50 or 60?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same freedoms as women in
any
western nation do.
Other than the right to participate in fair and free elections, the
right of free speech, and the right of assembly.
Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free
press? Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam
himself were allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking
clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
Not exclusive to women though is it, you fuckwit?
No, but so what?
The claim was not that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedom as Iraqi men;
the claim was that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedoms as women in "any
Western nation".
Nowhere in the quote mentions Iraqi women's freedoms relative to Iraqi
men; it is explicitly about women in Iraq versus women in "any Western
nation".
Do you believe that women in Iraq under Saddam enjoyed the same freedoms
as "women in any Western nation" ?
If so, what about (for example) the right to participate in free and fair
elections?
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Women in Iraq, for example, enjoyed the same freedoms as women in
any
western nation do.
Other than the right to participate in fair and free elections,
the right of free speech, and the right of assembly.
Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free
press? Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam
himself were allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking
clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
Not exclusive to women though is it, you fuckwit?
No, but so what?
The claim was not that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedom as Iraqi men;
the claim was that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedoms as women in "any
Western nation".
Nowhere in the quote mentions Iraqi women's freedoms relative to Iraqi
men; it is explicitly about women in Iraq versus women in "any Western
nation".
Do you believe that women in Iraq under Saddam enjoyed the same freedoms
as "women in any Western nation" ?
If so, what about (for example) the right to participate in free and
fair elections?
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
That would be the people who claim that women under Saddam had the same
rights as women "in any Western nation"?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free
press? Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam
himself were allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking
clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
Not exclusive to women though is it, you fuckwit?
No, but so what?
The claim was not that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedom as Iraqi men;
the claim was that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedoms as women in "any
Western nation".
Nowhere in the quote mentions Iraqi women's freedoms relative to Iraqi
men; it is explicitly about women in Iraq versus women in "any Western
nation".
Do you believe that women in Iraq under Saddam enjoyed the same
freedoms as "women in any Western nation" ?
If so, what about (for example) the right to participate in free and
fair elections?
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
That would be the people who claim that women under Saddam had the same
rights as women "in any Western nation"?
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
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So I guess that you were wrong when you said women in Iraq under Saddam
enjoyed the same freedoms as women in any Western nation? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Horseshit. Women in Iraq enjoyed all those rights, you lying,
uneducated clown.
I see.
Iraq had free and fair elections under Saddam? There was a free
press? Street demonstrations against government policy or Saddam
himself were allowed?
What the fuck has that to do with freedoms for women, you fucking
clown?
Its a freedom which a "woman in any western nation" can enjoy.
Not exclusive to women though is it, you fuckwit?
No, but so what?
The claim was not that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedom as Iraqi
men; the claim was that Iraqi women enjoy the same freedoms as women
in "any Western nation".
Nowhere in the quote mentions Iraqi women's freedoms relative to Iraqi
men; it is explicitly about women in Iraq versus women in "any Western
nation".
Do you believe that women in Iraq under Saddam enjoyed the same
freedoms as "women in any Western nation" ?
If so, what about (for example) the right to participate in free and
fair elections?
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
That would be the people who claim that women under Saddam had the same
rights as women "in any Western nation"?
"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
So I guess that you were wrong when you said women in Iraq under Saddam
enjoyed the same freedoms as women in any Western nation?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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And compared to the jews in Iran, which is what we were discussing,
would you say that Muslims in Israel have more or less democratic rights
than the jews of Iran ?
They most certainly do not.
Why?
There are no checkpoints in Iran and Jews are able to build homes in
Iran.
There are no checkpoints inside Gaza, and Muslims obviously can and do
build houses.
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But there are in the West Bank fuckwit.
There are no checkpoints in Antartica either, but we aren't talking about
that now are we?
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On the other hand, Muslims in Israel can openly worship their religion,
get a full vote, are not subject to controls to prevent them fleeing the
country, and are not suject to execution for saying they believe that Iran
has a right to exist.
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Yep just like in Iran.
Please post evidence that Jews are executed in Iran thanks. |
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Peter Webb wrote:
Twenty five thousand Jews live in Iran. When they were offered
60 thousand dollars per family to go to Israel they responded:
"We have been in Persia since before Mohammed was born. This is
our country and we have no intention of leaving."
Thew reason that $60,000 is required is that Iran requires this
payment from Jews (but nobody else) to leave Iran. They are being
held hostage.
A lie. Jews from Iran can travel to Israel any time they want. In
fact many of them do, since most of them have relatives in Israel.
Not as family groups, in case they abscond without paying.
Even though in Iran there is a member of parliament for every
150 thousand people, Jews who number less are allowed to elect
one member of parliament among themselves.
Well, no. There member of Parliament cannot actually vote; they
are only allowed to watch. This single Jew in Iran has exactly
the same the same Parliamentary priveleges as every single
Australian enjoys - to watch Parliament.
Cite? In any case, under a regimen like the one in Iran,
parliament is not where things are decided.
Ohh. So how many Jews are their in the body that does make the
decision?
As I said below, in the original post, I am not a big fan of the
Iranian system. My point is that, regarding most points, Jews in
Iran are way, way better, than Palestinians in Israel.
How? Name one way.
Muslims can and do get the vote in Israel
No they do not. Most Arabs in Jerusalem were not permitted to vote
in the last elections.
You are a stupid person and a liar.
and have many seats in the Knesset.
No. Not many. There only are 12 right now and only one minister and
one speaker.
And that *one* minister is the *only* Arab minister in the history of
the Knesset.
So the posit that Arabs in Israel can run for office is true
That they choose not to or fail to successfully run is another matter
Yes, they can run for and if elected, hold office in the Knesset. What
they can't do is actually be a part of the governing coalitions that
actually wield power in the zionist entity. This one Arab minister
currently sitting is the only exception to this in the entire history
of this place. Arabs represent 20% of the population of the place, but
for practical purposes are given no say in how it is governed.
So you basically, since the Arabs don't seem to actively participate,
and do not meet a RATIO that YOU define, you conclude that they have no
say in how they are governed
Do you even see the flaw in that kind of thinking ?
Who said that they "don't seem to actively participate"?
I take then that you see nothing unusual that in a supposed democracy,
20% of a population has only had *one* member of a governing coalition in
*sixty* *years*? I'd call that pretty damned close to having no say in
how they were governed, yeah.
By that kind of "logic", (and I'm generous using that word), you could
make the same argument for representation of ANY minority group in ANY
country
Leftist "logic" at it's best
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Except fuckwit, the West Bank which the Zionazi's refuse to give up contains
over 2 Million Palestinians which if the Zionazi's actually let these people
vote combined with the population inside of Israel would actually make them
a majority.
Forgot that little chestnut didn't you??
Get off the land or give them a vote you fucking ZIONAZI'S! |
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Gary Renzetti" <lizgary@connection.com> wrote in message
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SaPeIsMa wrote:
"Gary Renzetti" <lizgary@connection.com> wrote in message
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Helge wrote:
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"Viejo Vizcacha" <elbie_jovis_kasha@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Peter Webb wrote:
Twenty five thousand Jews live in Iran. When they were offered 60
thousand dollars per family to go to Israel they responded: "We
have been in Persia since before Mohammed was born. This is our
country and we have no intention of leaving."
Thew reason that $60,000 is required is that Iran requires this
payment from Jews (but nobody else) to leave Iran. They are being
held hostage.
A lie. Jews from Iran can travel to Israel any time they want. In
fact many of them do, since most of them have relatives in Israel.
Not as family groups, in case they abscond without paying.
Even though in Iran there is a member of parliament for every 150
thousand people, Jews who number less are allowed to elect one
member of parliament among themselves.
Well, no. There member of Parliament cannot actually vote; they are
only allowed to watch. This single Jew in Iran has exactly the same
the same Parliamentary priveleges as every single Australian
enjoys - to watch Parliament.
Cite? In any case, under a regimen like the one in Iran, parliament
is not where things are decided.
Ohh. So how many Jews are their in the body that does make the
decision?
As I said below, in the original post, I am not a big fan of the
Iranian system. My point is that, regarding most points, Jews in
Iran are way, way better, than Palestinians in Israel.
How? Name one way.
Muslims can and do get the vote in Israel
No they do not. Most Arabs in Jerusalem were not permitted to vote in
the last elections.
You are a stupid person and a liar.
and have many seats in the Knesset.
No. Not many. There only are 12 right now and only one minister and
one speaker.
And that *one* minister is the *only* Arab minister in the history of
the Knesset.
So the posit that Arabs in Israel can run for office is true
That they choose not to or fail to successfully run is another matter
Yes, they can run for and if elected, hold office in the Knesset. What
they can't do is actually be a part of the governing coalitions that
actually wield power in the zionist entity. This one Arab minister
currently sitting is the only exception to this in the entire history of
this place. Arabs represent 20% of the population of the place, but for
practical purposes are given no say in how it is governed.
Apart from 12 MPs, a cabinet Minister, and the speaker of the House.
As the situation of the Muslims in Israel was introduced to compare it to
the situation of Jews in Iran, perhaps you can now explain the influence
of Jews on how Iran is governed?
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Sure, Iran has a Jewish Population of about 1% so they have little
influence.
Israel if you include the West Bank which the Yids refuse to give up has a
muslim population of 55%... yet are allowed little influence on the
government.
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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And compared to the jews in Iran, which is what we were discussing,
would you say that Muslims in Israel have more or less democratic rights
than the jews of Iran ?
They most certainly do not.
Why?
There are no checkpoints in Iran and Jews are able to build homes in
Iran.
There are no checkpoints inside Gaza, and Muslims obviously can and do
build houses.
But there are in the West Bank fuckwit.
There are no checkpoints in Antartica either, but we aren't talking about
that now are we?
On the other hand, Muslims in Israel can openly worship their religion,
get a full vote, are not subject to controls to prevent them fleeing the
country, and are not suject to execution for saying they believe that Iran
has a right to exist.
Yep just like in Iran.
Please post evidence that Jews are executed in Iran thanks.
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Sadly, too few are.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Israel allows Gaza fuel supplies |
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Mr. 7% wrote:
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"Peter Webb" <webbfamily@DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4872278b$0$17511$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
And compared to the jews in Iran, which is what we were discussing,
would you say that Muslims in Israel have more or less democratic rights
than the jews of Iran ?
They most certainly do not.
Why?
There are no checkpoints in Iran and Jews are able to build homes in
Iran.
There are no checkpoints inside Gaza, and Muslims obviously can and do
build houses.
But there are in the West Bank fuckwit.
There are no checkpoints in Antartica either, but we aren't talking about
that now are we?
On the other hand, Muslims in Israel can openly worship their religion,
get a full vote, are not subject to controls to prevent them fleeing the
country, and are not suject to execution for saying they believe that Iran
has a right to exist.
He thinks that people in Iran are executed "for saying they believe |
that Iran has a right to exist"??? What an odd viewpoint.
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Yep just like in Iran.
Please post evidence that Jews are executed in Iran thanks.
Uhhh. Peter doesn't *do* evidence. |
He's very good at demanding it of others, but somewhat more casual when
confronted with the same request regarding his own outlandish claims.
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