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 Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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In message <200807042341138930-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
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Give the Celts a choice between each building with their own money
an assembly big enough to take the members and rotate the parliament
or use the House of Lords. RH
So where does the English parliament sit?
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In its traditional place. RH
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In the Westminister buildings we've contributed to?
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Scotchland has never contributed to anything in England because they
have always drawn more out than they have put iin. RH
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Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't think so. Typical
English though - "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too".
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ŽiŠardo
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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Andrew wrote:
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On 2008-07-03 05:36:57 +0100, Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
In message <2008070218554150073-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
thecroft@macunlimited.net> writes
On 2008-07-02 13:29:19 +0100, Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
Ken Clarke's "remedy" for English anger at a lack of
representation is no remedy at all. There are four reasons for its
failure:
(1) If adopted, there would be endless wrangling over what was an
English only issue.
(2) the position of Wales and N Ireland is not addressed - they
already have large subsidies and powers which allow them to
determine important areas of policy such as health spending.
(3) all the majority party whether having a majority of English
MPs or not, would still have the power to initiate all
legislation, all MPs would be allowed to vote on the first and
second readings and there would be no legal bar to overturning
English amendments made during the committee stage .
(4) there appears to have been no consideration of the position
of the Lords, which it seems would still be allowed to vote on all
legislation despite being a UK wide assembly. RH
You're probably substantially right here. The only real solution I
can see that would work (other than dissolving the Union altogether)
is for England to have its own Parliament, just as Scotland does.
Ideally it could be based away from London. Westminister is the UK
Parliament, and creating 2 classes of representative there would, I
think, be corrosive to its stability.
Simple solution: exclude all non-English seat MPs from the Commons and
that becomes the English parliament once more. The members of the four
national parliaments then sit in the federal parliament. The Lords
would be abolished. RH
As long as we didn't have to subsidise your English parliament, that
would be fine. So, where do you fancy siting the federal parliament?
(Clue - not Westminister).
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Well, I don't think we can afford another parliament building in
Scotland, given the time and cost overruns!!!
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Robert Henderson
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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In message <YwHbk.4830$7v1.3186@newsfe30.ams2>, ŽiŠardo
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You're probably substantially right here. The only real solution I
can see that would work (other than dissolving the Union altogether)
for England to have its own Parliament, just as Scotland does.
Ideally it could be based away from London. Westminister is the UK
Parliament, and creating 2 classes of representative there would, I
think, be corrosive to its stability.
Simple solution: exclude all non-English seat MPs from the Commons
and that becomes the English parliament once more. The members of
the four national parliaments then sit in the federal parliament.
The Lords would be abolished. RH
As long as we didn't have to subsidise your English parliament, that
would be fine. So, where do you fancy siting the federal parliament?
(Clue - not Westminister).
Well, I don't think we can afford another parliament building in
Scotland, given the time and cost overruns!!!
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The English certainly can't afford another Parliament in Scotchland -
they have already paid for the existing one. RH
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Robert Henderson
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Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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On 2008-07-05 05:53:31 +0100, Robert Henderson
<philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
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In message <200807042341138930-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
thecroft@macunlimited.net> writes
Give the Celts a choice between each building with their own money an
assembly big enough to take the members and rotate the parliament or
use the House of Lords. RH
So where does the English parliament sit?
In its traditional place. RH
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Sorry - that's ours too. Of course, if the English are too cheapskate
and too lacking in national pride to build their own pariliament.
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In the Westminister buildings we've contributed to?
Scotchland has never contributed to anything in England because they
have always drawn more out than they have put iin. RH
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An argument for another time. Fact of the matter is that the House of
Commons was built with British money contributed by all parts of the UK.
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Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't think so. Typical
English though - "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too". |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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On 2008-07-05 10:54:09 +0100, ŽiŠardo <here@nowhere.com> said:
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Andrew wrote:
On 2008-07-03 05:36:57 +0100, Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
In message <2008070218554150073-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
thecroft@macunlimited.net> writes
On 2008-07-02 13:29:19 +0100, Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
Ken Clarke's "remedy" for English anger at a lack of representation
is no remedy at all. There are four reasons for its failure:
(1) If adopted, there would be endless wrangling over what was an
English only issue.
(2) the position of Wales and N Ireland is not addressed - they
already have large subsidies and powers which allow them to determine
important areas of policy such as health spending.
(3) all the majority party whether having a majority of English MPs
or not, would still have the power to initiate all legislation, all
MPs would be allowed to vote on the first and second readings and there
would be no legal bar to overturning English amendments made during
the committee stage .
(4) there appears to have been no consideration of the position of
the Lords, which it seems would still be allowed to vote on all
legislation despite being a UK wide assembly. RH
You're probably substantially right here. The only real solution I can
see that would work (other than dissolving the Union altogether) is for
England to have its own Parliament, just as Scotland does. Ideally it
could be based away from London. Westminister is the UK Parliament, and
creating 2 classes of representative there would, I think, be corrosive
to its stability.
Simple solution: exclude all non-English seat MPs from the Commons and
that becomes the English parliament once more. The members of the four
national parliaments then sit in the federal parliament. The Lords
would be abolished. RH
As long as we didn't have to subsidise your English parliament, that
would be fine. So, where do you fancy siting the federal parliament?
(Clue - not Westminister).
Well, I don't think we can afford another parliament building in
Scotland, given the time and cost overruns!!!
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Doesn't really matter where it is, as long as we don't confuse the
federal parilaiment with the English pariliamen by having them in the
same building. |
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Robert Henderson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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In message <2008070520390275249-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
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to build their own pariliament.
In the Westminister buildings we've contributed to?
Scotchland has never contributed to anything in England because
they have always drawn more out than they have put iin. RH
An argument for another time.
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No arguing against hard fact. RH
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Maria
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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On Jul 4, 11:41 pm, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
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On 2008-07-04 05:35:46 +0100, Robert Henderson
phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
In message <2008070400332075249-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
thecr...@macunlimited.net> writes
than dissolving the Union altogether) is for England to have its own
Parliament, just as Scotland does. Ideally it could be based away from
London. Westminister is the UK Parliament, and creating 2 classes of
representative there would, I think, be corrosive to its
Simple solution: exclude all non-English seat MPs from the Commons
and that becomes the English parliament once more. The members of the
four national parliaments then sit in the federal parliament. The
Lords would be abolished. RH
As long as we didn't have to subsidise your English parliament, that
would be fine. So, where do you fancy siting the federal parliament?
(Clue - not Westminister).
Give the Celts a choice between each building with their own money an
assembly big enough to take the members and rotate the parliament or
use the House of Lords. RH
So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
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Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish
Parliament come from? |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aaGBTUhfS3aIFw4C@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
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Ken Clarke's "remedy" for English anger at a lack of representation is no
remedy at all. There are four reasons for its failure:
(1) If adopted, there would be endless wrangling over what was an English
only issue.
(2) the position of Wales and N Ireland is not addressed - they already
have large subsidies and powers which allow them to determine important
areas of policy such as health spending.
Scotland has its own parliament while Wales & Northern Ireland only have |
assemblies.
Regards Mike. |
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Robert Henderson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no an |
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In message <6dt1fvF48gfmU1@mid.individual.net>, "Mike Cawood, HND BIT"
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"Robert Henderson" <philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aaGBTUhfS3aIFw4C@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
Ken Clarke's "remedy" for English anger at a lack of representation is no
remedy at all. There are four reasons for its failure:
(1) If adopted, there would be endless wrangling over what was an English
only issue.
(2) the position of Wales and N Ireland is not addressed - they already
have large subsidies and powers which allow them to determine important
areas of policy such as health spending.
Scotland has its own parliament while Wales & Northern Ireland only have
assemblies.
Regards Mike.
Semantics. RH |
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Robert Henderson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> writes
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So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish Parliament
come from?
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The pockets of English taxpayers. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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On 2008-07-13 02:49:30 +0100, Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> said:
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On Jul 4, 11:41 pm, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
On 2008-07-04 05:35:46 +0100, Robert Henderson
phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
In message <2008070400332075249-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
thecr...@macunlimited.net> writes
than dissolving the Union altogether) is for England to have its own
Parliament, just as Scotland does. Ideally it could be based away from
London. Westminister is the UK Parliament, and creating 2 classes of
representative there would, I think, be corrosive to its
Simple solution: exclude all non-English seat MPs from the Commons
and that becomes the English parliament once more. The members of the
four national parliaments then sit in the federal parliament. The
Lords would be abolished. RH
As long as we didn't have to subsidise your English parliament, that
would be fine. So, where do you fancy siting the federal parliament?
(Clue - not Westminister).
Give the Celts a choice between each building with their own money an
assembly big enough to take the members and rotate the parliament or
use the House of Lords. RH
So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish
Parliament come from?
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It came from the budget allocated to Scotland from the central pot into
which Scottish people pay as well as everybody else. |
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Andrew
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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On 2008-07-13 06:38:06 +0100, Robert Henderson
<philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
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In message
70a3d9aa-e512-4237-888a-54ca8e291bb8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> writes
So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish Parliament
come from?
The pockets of English taxpayers. RH
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Not that that should concern you at all. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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In message <2008071321350343658-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
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In message
70a3d9aa-e512-4237-888a-54ca8e291bb8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> writes
So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister
buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish
Parliament come from?
The pockets of English taxpayers. RH
Not that that should concern you at all.
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Sigh. Everyone in England subsidises Scotchland. RH
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ŽiŠardo
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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Andrew wrote:
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On 2008-07-13 06:38:06 +0100, Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
In message
70a3d9aa-e512-4237-888a-54ca8e291bb8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> writes
So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish
Parliament come from?
The pockets of English taxpayers. RH
Not that that should concern you at all.
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Andrew
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Re: The West Lothian Question- The Tory proposals are no ans |
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On 2008-07-14 04:57:33 +0100, Robert Henderson
<philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk> said:
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In message <2008071321350343658-thecroft@macunlimitednet>, Andrew
thecroft@macunlimited.net> writes
In message
70a3d9aa-e512-4237-888a-54ca8e291bb8@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Maria <info@tajarts.co.uk> writes
So where does the English parliament sit? In the Westminister buildings
we've contributed to? Using the equipment we've contributed to? I don't
think so. Typical English though - "what's mine is mine and what's
yours is mine too".
Just out of interest, where did the funding for the Scottish
Parliament come from?
The pockets of English taxpayers. RH
Not that that should concern you at all.
Sigh. Everyone in England subsidises Scotchland. RH
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