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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:38:55 +0000, The Master
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LOL!!! John McCain and Jane Fonda? I don't believe it. There are too
many ex POWs who can collaborate if JM was tortured or not. If you
consider JM liberal that must mean that Bush is a screaming leftie!!!
There is a YouTube video of Texas Governor Perry at a Republican fund
raiser, talking about President Bush saying that everyone knew he was
never a fiscial conservative. Big government, big spending, elimination
of personal rights and freedoms... I call that liberalism, yes. What do
you call it?
If you wanted an actual conservative to win the nomination, you should
have voted for Ron Paul. McCain is as conservative as Hillary!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Lady Veteran wrote:
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I have no regards or respect for conservatives. I embrace CHANGE.
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Then you should want Republicans or Democrats... Try the Libertarians or
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:11:41 -0700, dillydally wrote:
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McCain told me a few years ago
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I do not 'like' McCain (nor Obama). I think he is corrupt and a party
poodle.
However, unless you lived through the Vietnam era shut the fuck up.
Anyone who has and is piling onto this BS ought to be deeply ashamed.
Some of you fuckwits think 9/11 changed everything? Screw you pussy
mother fuckers. Ending the draft changed everything as far as your punk
asses are concerned. You have no real idea and are baby clueless about
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:05:02 +0000, The Master
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Lady Veteran wrote:
I have no regards or respect for conservatives. I embrace CHANGE.
Then you should want Republicans or Democrats... Try the Libertarians or
the Greens...
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They all seem like different amounts of fools anyway.
LV-posted from SSFA
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When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Nudism is never wrong. |
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On Apr 29, 7:16 am, Zee <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote:
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On Apr 29, 6:38 am, "Mark" <alln...@nospammindspring.com> wrote:> "Dario Western" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com> wrote in message
news:xgvRj.5927$ko5.4426@news-
Trent,
Why did you post this message to a wrestling and Mormon newsgroup?
Why did YOU??
because once evolving from a primate to a human being..;if that is
possible....the first discovery is that the most hate that can be
conjured up is a group of people or peer group that will not admit
their evil....the evil itself is not unaceptable to the masses but the
denial of it is unacceptable...ref...pastor wright and obama...the
militant terrorist suicide bombers fighting for destruction of
everyone but their kind.....stalin...hitler...etc.....does anyone
think that hitler or stalin would ever repent....it is the
unrelentling attitude of the nudist that is prevalent and their overt
desires to aggress and force their nakedness on the rest of
society....Dario is cut from the same cloth that Anna Nikki and i are
cut from ..knowing that our beliefs are not popular and know exactly
how the non naked feel and why....but you primates until you evolve
and admit will never know.....jz
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The Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, and Hari-Krishna beliefs are not popular,
but in a free world, they have a right to practice them. Most non
Hari-Krishnas likely don't relish seeing the Hari Krishnas walking
down the street and chanting and doing their dance, but it is the Hari-
Krishna's Just right, and Just Freedom to do so. Nakedness is not
being "forced" on anyone by merely walking down the street. Unless
your person or property is violated (or endangered), nothing is being
forced on you, and you have a Just right to Freedom whether you
"jon_zee," and other Americans, and other people throughout the world
recognize it or not, you have a Just right to Freedom unless you are
violating (or endangering) someone's persons or property including
public property, or engaged in commerce, which given the exploitative
nature of which may Justly be regulated, though not prohibited,
through product bundling, quality controls, and advertising
regulations, and possibly though not surely other ways I have not
thought of.
Thus, you surely have the Just right to commit non-dangerous, non-
commercial acts in public. This is Freedom. The line may not be
drawn more strictly than this, or must we violate the principle of
Freedom entirely and may as well do away with it, leaving the future
to a single prevailing ideology and religion, limiting all speeches
and actions to those of the past, for certainly once something is
outlawed it would be extinct and nearly impossible to gain a majority
support for since they would not even be able to try or see or
practice it at all. Save the argument I am presenting here, and such
is our current oppressed state.
The only thing I think about "Anna" is that perhaps she is denigrating
sex and promoting nonsexual nudity in an attempt to protect nudism
from the anti-sex bigots and persecutors in this world. I don't know
if such a tactic is well founded, but she seems maybe too much a voice
of the prejudice Nazi crowd to seriously be taking such a tactic.
Leave your dress and conduct codes to private property owners who may
eject any who violate them. No country may be called free which could
require you to wear a Burka in public, but apparently that is a
possibility requiring only 50% of the voters in the United States (or
less than 50% as the minority of elected dictators can pass the law).
Thus we see, Democracy is merely a means of political change, and
Freedom from past governance, but that it is in no way an
establishment or ensurer of Freedom. Freedom is a principle much more
important than Democracy, it is a principle to be both advanced in the
minds of the people of this planet, and established in the foundations
of any Just political system which governs them. The United States is
one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet due to its
disregard for Freedom in areas of drugs, arms, and sex. It has not
been the bastion of Freedom it was supposedly conceived to be.
American's Just rights and thus their prosperity, wealth, and
livelihood are violated all over the country - as cities may
apparently legally do thing such as ban the drinking of beer on the
beach - taking the common citizen's wealth and prosperity, and taxing
them to spend more money policing and jailing offenders. Such is the
despotic state of the tyranny of our nation today. As seen with the
drug war this vicious cycle increases true crime, undermines the
justice system, and leads to more lawlessness and criminal
lifestyles. The USA puts more people in prison per capita than any
nation in the world besides China, and thinks to call itself free
compared to such fallen Communist Empires and Theocracies which may
respect neither free speech nor Freedom of religion, nor the rights of
the accused - nor the right to acquire property, and may even force
people to work like slaves - though I'm not sure how things work/
worked in communist countries. And of those rights, none at all are
protected by Democracy, they all are protected by the insufficient
Constitution (specifically the Bill of Rights) which requires 2/3rd of
both houses of Congress and 3/4th's of all state's legislatures to
change, and neither has it been recognized to my knowledge to protect
your right to property as taxes could be raised to 100% and the nation
made Communist. Allying yourself with a lesser evil may make sense at
times, but the truth is you wish to see both evils fall or be
corrected - we can only hope for the nation's sake the latter comes to
pass.
So the nation's not free, and to the extent it is free, it is not free
because of Democracy but because of the Bill of Rights. Democracy
does not ensure Freedom, it is merely a means of political change.
Democracy is merely a means of freeing ourselves from the dictators
who ruled us in the past and electing new dictators without having to
resort to war. The Bill of Rights ensures Freedom and is either not
recognized or not extensive enough.
There are 5 means of political change:
1. Free Speech - if it is allowed
2. Democracy - if your country has it
3. Civil Disobedience - if the penalties are not too harsh - sucks
nonetheless because you can be penalized
4. Targeted Assassinations
5. War - nearly always civil war
As you can see, Free Speech and Democracy are the most palatable.
Free Speech and Democracy allow us to change the government without
war by appealing to the rulers or replacing them. The other three
methods cost lives but are sometimes necessary.
And those who violate minority freedom are prejudice evil lying
bigots, doing satanism and sin, jacking for nothing, taking people's
unalienable freedoms away. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Re: Nudism is never wrong. |
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On Jul 11, 11:47 pm, good...@rock.com wrote:
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On Apr 29, 7:16 am, Zee <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:38 am, "Mark" <alln...@nospammindspring.com> wrote:> "Dario Western" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com> wrote in message
news:xgvRj.5927$ko5.4426@news-
Trent,
Why did you post this message to a wrestling and Mormon newsgroup?
Why did YOU??
because once evolving from a primate to a human being..;if that is
possible....the first discovery is that the most hate that can be
conjured up is a group of people or peer group that will not admit
their evil....the evil itself is not unaceptable to the masses but the
denial of it is unacceptable...ref...pastor wright and obama...the
militant terrorist suicide bombers fighting for destruction of
everyone but their kind.....stalin...hitler...etc.....does anyone
think that hitler or stalin would ever repent....it is the
unrelentling attitude of the nudist that is prevalent and their overt
desires to aggress and force their nakedness on the rest of
society....Dario is cut from the same cloth that Anna Nikki and i are
cut from ..knowing that our beliefs are not popular and know exactly
how the non naked feel and why....but you primates until you evolve
and admit will never know.....jz
The Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, and Hari-Krishna beliefs are not popular,
but in a free world, they have a right to practice them. Most non
Hari-Krishnas likely don't relish seeing the Hari Krishnas walking
down the street and chanting and doing their dance, but it is the Hari-
Krishna's Just right, and Just Freedom to do so. Nakedness is not
being "forced" on anyone by merely walking down the street. Unless
your person or property is violated (or endangered), nothing is being
forced on you, and you have a Just right to Freedom whether you
"jon_zee," and other Americans, and other people throughout the world
recognize it or not, you have a Just right to Freedom unless you are
violating (or endangering) someone's persons or property including
public property, or engaged in commerce, which given the exploitative
nature of which may Justly be regulated, though not prohibited,
through product bundling, quality controls, and advertising
regulations, and possibly though not surely other ways I have not
thought of.
Thus, you surely have the Just right to commit non-dangerous, non-
commercial acts in public. This is Freedom. The line may not be
drawn more strictly than this, or must we violate the principle of
Freedom entirely and may as well do away with it, leaving the future
to a single prevailing ideology and religion, limiting all speeches
and actions to those of the past, for certainly once something is
outlawed it would be extinct and nearly impossible to gain a majority
support for since they would not even be able to try or see or
practice it at all. Save the argument I am presenting here, and such
is our current oppressed state.
The only thing I think about "Anna" is that perhaps she is denigrating
sex and promoting nonsexual nudity in an attempt to protect nudism
from the anti-sex bigots and persecutors in this world. I don't know
if such a tactic is well founded, but she seems maybe too much a voice
of the prejudice Nazi crowd to seriously be taking such a tactic.
Leave your dress and conduct codes to private property owners who may
eject any who violate them. No country may be called free which could
require you to wear a Burka in public, but apparently that is a
possibility requiring only 50% of the voters in the United States (or
less than 50% as the minority of elected dictators can pass the law).
Thus we see, Democracy is merely a means of political change, and
Freedom from past governance, but that it is in no way an
establishment or ensurer of Freedom. Freedom is a principle much more
important than Democracy, it is a principle to be both advanced in the
minds of the people of this planet, and established in the foundations
of any Just political system which governs them. The United States is
one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet due to its
disregard for Freedom in areas of drugs, arms, and sex. It has not
been the bastion of Freedom it was supposedly conceived to be.
American's Just rights and thus their prosperity, wealth, and
livelihood are violated all over the country - as cities may
apparently legally do thing such as ban the drinking of beer on the
beach - taking the common citizen's wealth and prosperity, and taxing
them to spend more money policing and jailing offenders. Such is the
despotic state of the tyranny of our nation today. As seen with the
drug war this vicious cycle increases true crime, undermines the
justice system, and leads to more lawlessness and criminal
lifestyles. The USA puts more people in prison per capita than any
nation in the world besides China, and thinks to call itself free
compared to such fallen Communist Empires and Theocracies which may
respect neither free speech nor Freedom of religion, nor the rights of
the accused - nor the right to acquire property, and may even force
people to work like slaves - though I'm not sure how things work/
worked in communist countries. And of those rights, none at all are
protected by Democracy, they all are protected by the insufficient
Constitution (specifically the Bill of Rights) which requires 2/3rd of
both houses of Congress and 3/4th's of all state's legislatures to
change, and neither has it been recognized to my knowledge to protect
your right to property as taxes could be raised to 100% and the nation
made Communist. Allying yourself with a lesser evil may make sense at
times, but the truth is you wish to see both evils fall or be
corrected - we can only hope for the nation's sake the latter comes to
pass.
So the nation's not free, and to the extent it is free, it is not free
because of Democracy but because of the Bill of Rights. Democracy
does not ensure Freedom, it is merely a means of political change.
Democracy is merely a means of freeing ourselves from the dictators
who ruled us in the past and electing new dictators without having to
resort to war. The Bill of Rights ensures Freedom and is either not
recognized or not extensive enough.
There are 5 means of political change:
1. Free Speech - if it is allowed
2. Democracy - if your country has it
3. Civil Disobedience - if the penalties are not too harsh - sucks
nonetheless because you can be penalized
4. Targeted Assassinations
5. War - nearly always civil war
As you can see, Free Speech and Democracy are the most palatable.
Free Speech and Democracy allow us to change the government without
war by appealing to the rulers or replacing them. The other three
methods cost lives but are sometimes necessary.
And those who violate minority freedom are prejudice evil lying
bigots, doing satanism and sin, jacking for nothing, taking people's
unalienable freedoms away.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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Democracy is just an elected dictatorship. The elected
representatives are no better than any old dictators, and will oppress
you just as much as any old dictator. The only difference in America
is the Bill of Rights which is protected by the separation of powers
in the structure of our government between the judicial and executive/
legislative branches of government and the separation of power between
the Federal, State, County and City governments. Democracy does not
ensure freedom it is merely a means of political change of freedom
from the past dictators who may free us from past legislation.
If common dictators were constrained by a bill of rights protected by
a separation of powers, their country would be nearly as good as any
other government or Democracy with such freedoms, they would just lack
the means of political change. And a good king or dictator could self-
constrain but the next king or dictator could easily be not as good.
For instance China too has a bill of rights and more guaranteed
freedoms in its Constitution than the United States. But with no
separation of powers, its Dictators can ignore the guaranteed freedoms
completely and override them and routinely do.
It's true that in some states a majority can get an issue on the
ballot and pass a law in an election. But most laws are passed by an
elected minority. So much touting Democracy as freedom, when we do
not even have a Democracy. In any case, majority rule can be tyranny
to the other 49% of the voters, and so the theory goes, that a wise
minority of rulers might be elected. But rather as it turns out they
are just dictatorial tyrants, it seems a broader bill of rights and a
broader interpretation of a bill of rights is a better solution.
I'm the wise minority who would respect broader freedoms if elected.
In the absence of a bill of rights securing our freedom, tyranny is
given free reign. Justice is not established or at least it is not
secured - as the next elected dictator may legislate tyranny. Sin
instead becomes established as the government makes up new sins, and
commits evil upon the people in the name of righteousness.
Dictatorial tyrants spend their time establishing murder instead of
Justice. It's a question of tyranny of the majority vs. minority
rights, or majority rule vs. tyranny of the minority. |
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gooddad@rock.com wrote:
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On Apr 29, 7:16 am, Zee <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:38 am, "Mark" <alln...@nospammindspring.com> wrote:> "Dario Western" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com> wrote in message
news:xgvRj.5927$ko5.4426@news-
Trent,
Why did you post this message to a wrestling and Mormon newsgroup?
Why did YOU??
because once evolving from a primate to a human being..;if that is
possible....the first discovery is that the most hate that can be
conjured up is a group of people or peer group that will not admit
their evil....the evil itself is not unaceptable to the masses but the
denial of it is unacceptable...ref...pastor wright and obama...the
militant terrorist suicide bombers fighting for destruction of
everyone but their kind.....stalin...hitler...etc.....does anyone
think that hitler or stalin would ever repent....it is the
unrelentling attitude of the nudist that is prevalent and their overt
desires to aggress and force their nakedness on the rest of
society....Dario is cut from the same cloth that Anna Nikki and i are
cut from ..knowing that our beliefs are not popular and know exactly
how the non naked feel and why....but you primates until you evolve
and admit will never know.....jz
The Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, and Hari-Krishna beliefs are not popular,
but in a free world, they have a right to practice them. Most non
Hari-Krishnas likely don't relish seeing the Hari Krishnas walking
down the street and chanting and doing their dance, but it is the Hari-
Krishna's Just right, and Just Freedom to do so. Nakedness is not
being "forced" on anyone by merely walking down the street.
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You are confusing ability/capacity and morality -- they are not
interchangeable.
If you have no moral belief system, the discussion of nudity is
irrelevant and incomprehensible to you. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Nudism is never wrong. |
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The Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, and Hari-Krishna beliefs are not popular,
but in a free world, they have a right to practice them.
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Not popular to who? Between them, they represent prehaps the largest
religious community on the planet. By the very definition of "popular" these
religions are immensely popular. Your premise is flawed, therefore you
argument is also flawed.
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