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 Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Jun 24, 6:30 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
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In article <MPG.22cb3e2e1645185d989...@nntp.aioe.org>,
Proteus <prot...@ambiance.com> wrote:
"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any
prisoners."
That's funny.
Not so much because of the bald lie that flies in the face of well
documented physical evidence and credible testimony. No, it's not funny
because of that.
It's funny because he knows, and I know, how damn easy it is for anyone
like him to lie to leftist Americans.
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naw, how easy it is for neo-con republicans like McCain, Bush,
Limbaugh, Hannity, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et. al. to lie!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Jun 25, 4:00 am, charles q <q.charles...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 24, 3:30 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <MPG.22cb3e2e1645185d989...@nntp.aioe.org>,
Proteus <prot...@ambiance.com> wrote:
"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any
prisoners."
That's funny.
Not so much because of the bald lie that flies in the face of well
documented physical evidence and credible testimony. No, it's not funny
because of that.
It's funny because he knows, and I know, how damn easy it is for anyone
like him to lie to leftist Americans.
Barnum was wrong by about a factor of sixty.
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NeoLibertarian
http://www.elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/UncleHood.jpg
They torture our people when and if they capture any and we in turn do
the same just as every other country and nation in this world does. As
long as there is war there will be detentions and torture and the
like. It is an unstopable machine- Hide quoted text -
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and, of course, Charles, you are not forgetting about the detentions
and torture in abu ghraib and club gitmo either, are you? naw, didn't
think you would be able to.... |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: The Terrorists Have Won - Liar & Coward In Chief Bush Ha |
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charles q <q.charles132@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 24, 3:37 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
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Very well put
If we neocons don't tell lies, spin the truth and dream of sucking Bush's |
cock; we're not patriots to the party.
McCain needs to attack China and Russia because they are the new enemy. We
should also attack and invade Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because they are
radical Islamic dictatorships.
Only cowards like you and I refuse to get our hands dirty in war. Real men
join the military and fight. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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Mike Laight wrote:
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Remarkable, a conservative posting unsubstantiated statements, which are
likely lies, about Senator McCain. We became tired of this type of
swiftboating crap four years ago.
Why would a republicant launch this type of swiftboat attempt against
Senator McCain?
Mike
"Proteus" <proteus@ambiance.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22cb3e2e1645185d989e85@nntp.aioe.org...
Liar McCain Exposed. Liar can't be trusted to lead USA.
'When John McCain was my captive'
By Andrew Harding
BBC News in Haiphong, Vietnam
Tran Trong Duyet - a sprightly retiree and amateur ballroom dancer - must
rank as one of John McCain's more unlikely supporters.
Four decades ago, during the Vietnam war, Mr Duyet was in charge of the
notorious Hoa Lo prison - the place where Mr McCain says he was brutally
beaten and tortured during five-and-a-half years as an American prisoner of
war.
"McCain is my friend," said 75-year-old Mr Duyet as he feeds the caged
birds
he now keeps in his garden in this coastal city.
"If I was American, I would vote for him."
Informal chats
Navy pilot John McCain was shot down during a bombing raid over the North
Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, in 1967.
He ejected from his aircraft and parachuted into a city lake - only to be
dragged out by an angry crowd, barely conscious, and with two broken
arms and
a broken leg.
From there he was taken to Hoa Lo prison, known to its American military
inmates as the "Hanoi Hilton".
McCain has since described enduring months of solitary confinement and
systematic torture which drove him to try to kill himself.
"I don't know how he'd react if he met me again," said Mr Duyet, flicking
through old black and white photographs of himself and his American
prisoners
at Hoa Lo.
"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any
prisoners."
Mr Duyet reminisces instead about how he often summoned the future US
presidential candidate to his private office for informal chats.
"We used to argue about the war - about whether it was right or wrong," he
says.
"He is a very frank man - very conservative, and very loyal to his country
and the American ideal.
"He had a very interesting accent and sometimes he taught me words in
English
and corrected my accent. I have followed his career since he left prison."
Rapprochement
So is Mr Duyet implying that that Senator McCain lied about his
treatment at
the Hanoi Hilton?
"He did not tell the truth," he says.
"But I can somehow sympathise with him. He lies to American voters in order
to get their support for his presidential election."
But Mr Duyet's propaganda-perfect version of events is impossible to
verify -
and should be treated with caution in a country where the Communist
authorities still keep a tight control over the media.
Relations between Vietnam and the United States have improved
dramatically in
recent years, following the normalisation of ties between the former
enemies
in 1995.
Mr McCain played a crucial role in bringing about that initial
rapprochement
- a fact which helps explain Mr Duyet's enthusiastic support for the McCain
presidential campaign.
"I wish him success in the presidential election," he says.
"Of course the Americans started the war in Vietnam and killed so many
people
- but now we want to leave the past behind.
"So now I consider John McCain my friend because he did much to mend
relations between our two countries. And if he becomes president he will do
more to improve those ties."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/7459946.stm
Published: 2008/06/23 16:59:19 GMT
© BBC MMVIII
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: Re: The Terrorists Have Won - Liar & Coward In Chief Bush Ha |
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:07:33 -0400, Electrician wrote:
üDougtÇ wrote:
Sounds more like Islamofacism to me. Indonesia, Christianity? LOL.
"Sebastian Rector" <ciceroii@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22cb3884bbc47a56989e83@nntp.aioe.org...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?
q=ODg2MmE0OGU1MWUzNzg1YzBiOREJGASDFYTIwMWQxZmQ=
Let's see, genocide in Iraq, Christianity in our public institutions,
secret prisons, torture, domestic surveillance of American citizens, and
now, persecution of science. This should be clear to everyone now:
For the purpose of this perspective, consider the following regimes:
Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco?s Spain, Salazar?s Portugal,
Papadopoulos?s Greece, Pinochet?s Chile, and Suharto?s Indonesia. To be
sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures,
developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or
protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power.
Further, all these regimes have been overthrown so a more or less
complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible.
this fool also wears a tinfoil hat
Thanks for warning us but why do you wear a tinfoil hat?
-- Regards, Curly
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to ward off damaging gamma rays emitted by the ever-wagging toungues of |
left-wing parrots and to repel the stench of homosexuals like yourself. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: The Terrorists Have Won - Liar & Coward In Chief Bush Ha |
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On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:43:19 -0400, Electrician wrote:
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:07:33 -0400, Electrician wrote:
üDougtÇ wrote:
Sounds more like Islamofacism to me. Indonesia, Christianity? LOL.
"Sebastian Rector" <ciceroii@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22cb3884bbc47a56989e83@nntp.aioe.org...
http://article.nationalreview.com/?
q=ODg2MmE0OGU1MWUzNzg1YzBiOREJGASDFYTIwMWQxZmQ=
Let's see, genocide in Iraq, Christianity in our public institutions,
secret prisons, torture, domestic surveillance of American citizens,
and now, persecution of science. This should be clear to everyone now:
For the purpose of this perspective, consider the following regimes:
Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco?s Spain, Salazar?s Portugal,
Papadopoulos?s Greece, Pinochet?s Chile, and Suharto?s Indonesia. To
be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures,
developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist
or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power.
Further, all these regimes have been overthrown so a more or less
complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is
possible.
this fool also wears a tinfoil hat
Thanks for warning us but why do you wear a tinfoil hat?
-- Regards, Curly
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Jail to the Chief
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to ward off damaging gamma rays emitted by the ever-wagging toungues of
left-wing parrots and to repel the stench of homosexuals like yourself.
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Excellent choice. Listen to those voices in your head.
-- Regards, Curly
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Jail to the Chief
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:36:27 -0700, Mike Laight wrote:
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"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured
any prisoners."
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Well, that's that then! |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Jun 25, 10:11 am, dillydally <clitte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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McCain told me a few years ago, on background, that while he was bound
and sloshing in his own shit in the Hanoi Hilton, the main recurring
dream he had was getting back to the states someday, ditching his
cancer-stricken wife, and finding himself some young, fuckable gals to
screw, rim, and blow him.
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well, in the attached article by the OP, it is said the captor allowed
the captive out of the cell, so they could talk. that talking
constitutes "consorting" (talking to and, possibly, giviing
information) to the captor by McCain. wonder why McCain never fessed
up to this... for if he ever had, he surely would have been brought up
on charges for it. ,
and, maybe, just maybe, as they were "talking" John McCain had a Larry
Craig moment, and gave his captor some lovin'..... mmmmmmmm |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Jun 24, 4:24 pm, Proteus <prot...@ambiance.com> wrote:
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McCain has since described enduring months of solitary confinement and
systematic torture which drove him to try to kill himself.
"I don't know how he'd react if he met me again," said Mr Duyet, flicking
through old black and white photographs of himself and his American prisoners
at Hoa Lo.
"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any
prisoners."
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Bush claims that we never torture either. Do you believe him?
Sri Bodhi Prana |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:28:17 -0400 Proteus <proteus@ambiance.com> wrote:
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McCain has since described enduring months of solitary confinement
and systematic torture which drove him to try to kill himself.
"I don't know how he'd react if he met me again," said Mr Duyet,
flicking through old black and white photographs of himself and his
American prisoners at Hoa Lo.
"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never
tortured any prisoners."
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Hearsay.
If you believe this, you believe anything.
FOOL. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, graverobber_69@yahoo.com wrote:
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well, in the attached article by the OP, it is said the captor allowed
the captive out of the cell, so they could talk. that talking
constitutes "consorting" (talking to and, possibly, giviing
information) to the captor by McCain. wonder why McCain never fessed
up to this... for if he ever had, he surely would have been brought up
on charges for it. ,
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McCain pulled a Jane Fonda? I wasn't going to vote for that liberal
son-of-a-bitch anyhow, but this revelation makes me rather sure that his
nomination marks the end of the Republican party. I doubt the next major
party to rival the Democrats will be the Libertarians, since the party
platform of the legalization of drugs will scare away the Christain
Fundies, and Buchannan killed the Reform Party... |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:39:30 -0500, Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com>
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:26:09 +0000, The Master
tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, graverobber_69@yahoo.com wrote:
well, in the attached article by the OP, it is said the captor allowed
the captive out of the cell, so they could talk. that talking
constitutes "consorting" (talking to and, possibly, giviing
information) to the captor by McCain. wonder why McCain never fessed
up to this... for if he ever had, he surely would have been brought up
on charges for it. ,
McCain pulled a Jane Fonda? I wasn't going to vote for that liberal
son-of-a-bitch anyhow, but this revelation makes me rather sure that his
nomination marks the end of the Republican party. I doubt the next major
party to rival the Democrats will be the Libertarians, since the party
platform of the legalization of drugs will scare away the Christain
Fundies, and Buchannan killed the Reform Party...
LOL!!! John McCain and Jane Fonda? I don't believe it. There are too
many ex POWs who can collaborate if JM was tortured or not. If you
consider JM liberal that must mean that Bush is a screaming leftie!!!
Every one has a breaking point. The Code of Conduct only references
the reasonable resistance to interrogation. JM does not have to show
scars to prove one way or the other.
I think that unless one was either at least age 16 in that time frame
or actually served in the military at that time, one has no real
perspective on what he went through.
LV-posted from SSFA
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:26:09 +0000, The Master
<tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, graverobber_69@yahoo.com wrote:
well, in the attached article by the OP, it is said the captor allowed
the captive out of the cell, so they could talk. that talking
constitutes "consorting" (talking to and, possibly, giviing
information) to the captor by McCain. wonder why McCain never fessed
up to this... for if he ever had, he surely would have been brought up
on charges for it. ,
McCain pulled a Jane Fonda? I wasn't going to vote for that liberal
son-of-a-bitch anyhow, but this revelation makes me rather sure that his
nomination marks the end of the Republican party. I doubt the next major
party to rival the Democrats will be the Libertarians, since the party
platform of the legalization of drugs will scare away the Christain
Fundies, and Buchannan killed the Reform Party...
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LOL!!! John McCain and Jane Fonda? I don't believe it. There are too
many ex POWs who can collaborate if JM was tortured or not. If you
consider JM liberal that must mean that Bush is a screaming leftie!!!
Every one has a breaking point. The Code of Conduct only references
the reasonable resistance to interrogation. JM does not have to show
scars to prove one way or the other.
I think that unless one was either at least age 16 in that time frame
or actually served in the military at that time, one has no real
perspective on what he went through.
LV-posted from SSFA
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
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"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."
---Winston Churchill
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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LOL!!! John McCain and Jane Fonda? I don't believe it. There are too
many ex POWs who can collaborate if JM was tortured or not. If you
consider JM liberal that must mean that Bush is a screaming leftie!!!
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There is a YouTube video of Texas Governor Perry at a Republican fund
raiser, talking about President Bush saying that everyone knew he was
never a fiscial conservative. Big government, big spending, elimination
of personal rights and freedoms... I call that liberalism, yes. What do
you call it?
If you wanted an actual conservative to win the nomination, you should
have voted for Ron Paul. McCain is as conservative as Hillary! |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: McCain Lied About Being Tortured While A POW But Admitte |
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The Master wrote:
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LOL!!! John McCain and Jane Fonda? I don't believe it. There are too
many ex POWs who can collaborate if JM was tortured or not. If you
consider JM liberal that must mean that Bush is a screaming leftie!!!
There is a YouTube video of Texas Governor Perry at a Republican fund
raiser, talking about President Bush saying that everyone knew he was
never a fiscial conservative. Big government, big spending,
elimination of personal rights and freedoms... I call that
liberalism, yes. What do you call it?
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Elimination of personal rights and freedoms? Conservatism.
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If you wanted an actual conservative to win the nomination, you should
have voted for Ron Paul. McCain is as conservative as Hillary! |
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