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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:48:31 -0400, Kurt Nicklas
<knicklas@bellsouth.net> wrote:

üDougtÇ · Guest

Interesting theory Protanus. Too bad the independent testimony
of dozens of OTHER US aviators proves you wrong. If only they
could submit you to the torture they experienced -- they could share
the experience w/you!

"Proteus" <proteus@ambiance.com> wrote in message
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Liar McCain Exposed. Socialist liar McCain can't be trusted to lead USA.

'When John McCain was my captive'

By Andrew Harding
BBC News in Haiphong, Vietnam

Tran Trong Duyet - a sprightly retiree and amateur ballroom dancer - must
rank as one of John McCain's more unlikely supporters.
Four decades ago, during the Vietnam war, Mr Duyet was in charge of the
notorious Hoa Lo prison - the place where Mr McCain says he was brutally
beaten and tortured during five-and-a-half years as an American prisoner of
war.

"McCain is my friend," said 75-year-old Mr Duyet as he feeds the caged birds
he now keeps in his garden in this coastal city.

"If I was American, I would vote for him."

Informal chats

Navy pilot John McCain was shot down during a bombing raid over the North
Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, in 1967.

He ejected from his aircraft and parachuted into a city lake - only to be
dragged out by an angry crowd, barely conscious, and with two broken arms
and
a broken leg.

From there he was taken to Hoa Lo prison, known to its American military
inmates as the "Hanoi Hilton".

McCain has since described enduring months of solitary confinement and
systematic torture which drove him to try to kill himself.
"I don't know how he'd react if he met me again," said Mr Duyet, flicking
through old black and white photographs of himself and his American
prisoners
at Hoa Lo.

"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any
prisoners."

Mr Duyet reminisces instead about how he often summoned the future US
presidential candidate to his private office for informal chats.

"We used to argue about the war - about whether it was right or wrong," he
says.

"He is a very frank man - very conservative, and very loyal to his country
and the American ideal.

"He had a very interesting accent and sometimes he taught me words in
English
and corrected my accent. I have followed his career since he left prison."

Rapprochement

So is Mr Duyet implying that that Senator McCain lied about his treatment at
the Hanoi Hilton?

"He did not tell the truth," he says.

"But I can somehow sympathise with him. He lies to American voters in order
to get their support for his presidential election."

But Mr Duyet's propaganda-perfect version of events is impossible to
verify -
and should be treated with caution in a country where the Communist
authorities still keep a tight control over the media.
Relations between Vietnam and the United States have improved dramatically
in
recent years, following the normalisation of ties between the former enemies
in 1995.

Mr McCain played a crucial role in bringing about that initial rapprochement
- a fact which helps explain Mr Duyet's enthusiastic support for the McCain
presidential campaign.

"I wish him success in the presidential election," he says.

"Of course the Americans started the war in Vietnam and killed so many
people
- but now we want to leave the past behind.

"So now I consider John McCain my friend because he did much to mend
relations between our two countries. And if he becomes president he will do
more to improve those ties."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/7459946.stm

Published: 2008/06/23 16:59:19 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

Hose B · Guest

Damn, how come the Germans couldn't get away with telling that bullshit
at Nuremberg?

Hose B · Guest

Over 6 million islamic assholes found out there weren't 72 virgins
waiting for them when they went to the sandbox in the sky. They don't
consider themselves winners.

charles q · Guest

On Jun 24, 3:37 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:

charles q · Guest

On Jun 24, 3:30 pm, Neolibertarian <cognac...@gmail.com> wrote:

Neolibertarian · Guest

Hose B <America@america.net> wrote:

Patriot Games · Guest

Neolibertarian <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote:

Electrician · Guest

üDougtÇ wrote:

Mike Laight · Guest

Remarkable, a conservative posting unsubstantiated statements, which are
likely lies, about Senator McCain. We became tired of this type of
swiftboating crap four years ago.

Why would a republicant launch this type of swiftboat attempt against
Senator McCain?

Mike

"Proteus" <proteus@ambiance.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22cb3e2e1645185d989e85@nntp.aioe.org...
Liar McCain Exposed. Liar can't be trusted to lead USA.

'When John McCain was my captive'

By Andrew Harding
BBC News in Haiphong, Vietnam

Tran Trong Duyet - a sprightly retiree and amateur ballroom dancer - must
rank as one of John McCain's more unlikely supporters.
Four decades ago, during the Vietnam war, Mr Duyet was in charge of the
notorious Hoa Lo prison - the place where Mr McCain says he was brutally
beaten and tortured during five-and-a-half years as an American prisoner of
war.

"McCain is my friend," said 75-year-old Mr Duyet as he feeds the caged birds
he now keeps in his garden in this coastal city.

"If I was American, I would vote for him."

Informal chats

Navy pilot John McCain was shot down during a bombing raid over the North
Vietnamese capital, Hanoi, in 1967.

He ejected from his aircraft and parachuted into a city lake - only to be
dragged out by an angry crowd, barely conscious, and with two broken arms
and
a broken leg.

From there he was taken to Hoa Lo prison, known to its American military
inmates as the "Hanoi Hilton".

McCain has since described enduring months of solitary confinement and
systematic torture which drove him to try to kill himself.
"I don't know how he'd react if he met me again," said Mr Duyet, flicking
through old black and white photographs of himself and his American
prisoners
at Hoa Lo.

"But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any
prisoners."

Mr Duyet reminisces instead about how he often summoned the future US
presidential candidate to his private office for informal chats.

"We used to argue about the war - about whether it was right or wrong," he
says.

"He is a very frank man - very conservative, and very loyal to his country
and the American ideal.

"He had a very interesting accent and sometimes he taught me words in
English
and corrected my accent. I have followed his career since he left prison."

Rapprochement

So is Mr Duyet implying that that Senator McCain lied about his treatment at
the Hanoi Hilton?

"He did not tell the truth," he says.

"But I can somehow sympathise with him. He lies to American voters in order
to get their support for his presidential election."

But Mr Duyet's propaganda-perfect version of events is impossible to
verify -
and should be treated with caution in a country where the Communist
authorities still keep a tight control over the media.
Relations between Vietnam and the United States have improved dramatically
in
recent years, following the normalisation of ties between the former enemies
in 1995.

Mr McCain played a crucial role in bringing about that initial rapprochement
- a fact which helps explain Mr Duyet's enthusiastic support for the McCain
presidential campaign.

"I wish him success in the presidential election," he says.

"Of course the Americans started the war in Vietnam and killed so many
people
- but now we want to leave the past behind.

"So now I consider John McCain my friend because he did much to mend
relations between our two countries. And if he becomes president he will do
more to improve those ties."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/7459946.stm

Published: 2008/06/23 16:59:19 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

Curly Surmudgeon · Guest

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:07:33 -0400, Electrician wrote:

ZerkonX · Guest

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:45:52 -0700, Ã¼DougtÃ‡ wrote:

dillydally · Guest

McCain told me a few years ago, on background, that while he was bound
and sloshing in his own shit in the Hanoi Hilton, the main recurring
dream he had was getting back to the states someday, ditching his
cancer-stricken wife, and finding himself some young, fuckable gals to
screw, rim, and blow him.

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On Jun 24, 8:05 pm, "üDougtÇ" <noün...@now.com> wrote: